know? >> not so much timothy mcveigh because he is a high powered well known attorney. >> even with that background? >> that has nothing. means he is a high profile experienced lawyer. that doesn't make this case have more merit because he is involved in it. so from my point of view it is a good offense as a way to defend against these particular allegations, draw attention from the university and students. i don't view it has merit against the university. >> would you go as far as to say it is a tactic to distract the media from the real issue here? >> absolutely. i totally think that. it is misdirection on its face. you think about something else when the real issue is about racial comments that were made because those are offensive comments and the university president has taken strict action against it but let's go away from that they're saying let's talk about something else talk about me the lawyer. >> talk about my clients, the two students that were tarred