they left those bodies on purpose as a way to terrorize the ukrainian people. so you re absolutely right. we keep talking about the conventional war that is already begun or is about to begin. i think we re already in the early stages of it around donbas, connecting crimea to donbas. that s putin s objective. but simultaneously, he will continue to terrorize ukrainian people as he did in lviv. as he did in kharkiv as you just showed. he will continue that part of the war as well and that s by design. those are not mistakes. he is designing, he is doing on purpose this terrorist actions against ukrainian innocence civilians. my colleague, rachel maddow, who s back on mondays now and accused last night and interviewed ann applebalm. of course, rachel being rachel pulled out the essence of what president zelenskyy said that
made the world and the united states and our nato allies more willing to consider other options for the ukrainians so they can keep up this fight. we don t want to see that kind of behavior, the horrible atrocities we ve seen, people being brought out into the street and shot, maternity wards being bombed, women being sexually assaulted in front of their children. we don t want that behavior to go forth and to be unpunished in any way, and i think that has also provided us, the united states, with more comfort in supplying more weapons to the ukrainian people. the behavior you just described, rape as a weapon of war, indiscriminate targeting and killing of civilians, and perhaps things that we don t know about, things that may not be public at this point, seem to be the kind of evidence that president zelenskyy mustered in a call on friday when he reportedly asked the biden
respected and other people are taking it from you, and this does relate to the kinds of things that tucker carlson has been trying to create these wedges and convince people that somehow they are losing their position in society, that it s being taken away from them and they are all victims. well, and you don t get to white replacement theory, is that what tucker calls it? and a warm embrace of vladimir putin without coming at it from fear. i mean, i think the reason that editorially it was an important thing to put together is the three most prominent excuse makers for vladimir putin s war on civilians and war in ukraine are putin himself, donald trump, who s refused on two occasions on fox news to condemn vladimir putin as a war criminal, and tucker carlson, who even wants the war commenced refused to say that real leaders, strong leaders don t decimate civilian
the strikes over the weekend in lviv shattered that city s feeling, even if it wasn t a reality, but a feeling that it was relatively safer than, obviously, the brutality that we ve been covering, really in horror, for weeks now in mariupol. can you sort of can we start in the west and then we ll move through to the east? yeah, sure. i mean, you re absolutely right. i mean, lviv is an area that really has kind of escaped the violence of the war that is really permeated the east. tens of thousands of families from the east were fleeing to lviv. my colleague spoke to one family, a mother and a young daughter, who actually fled yesterday from donbas, pardon me, from the dnipro region. they were on the plane pardon me, on the train going to lviv.
is that right? yeah, it s very you know, being in kyiv is very interesting. i have been here about two weeks and i was you can see the increasing number of people coming in each day, more and more. i mean, i think there is really just such a desperation to get back to some form of normalcy. you go to you can go to a few restaurants now where they re pretty much bustling. you hear sirens. the war is never far away. there are a lot of checkpoints, sandbags across the city, these anti-tank barricades that you really don t want to get too close to. but at the same time, there are a lot of citizens of kyiv and other parts of the country as well that are desperate to get back to their lives, that they don t want to live in fear, and they don t want to give the russians the benefit of creating