are under. both have now been booked in georgia. sothy went from the searches, the federal pressure, to state indictment and booking, which can change people s sense of pressure. then there s giuliani, who has lamented the entire process. they re destroying my right to counsel, my right to be a lawyer. they re destroying his right to counsel. it s not accidental that they ve indicted all his lawyers. fact check. false. lawyers know the law. if giuliani did not expect to be charged, he knows he could have stayed within the confines of the law. he literally ran a prosecution office that indicted other lawyers. it s not a defense. the d.a. is charging ahead. she wants to speedily move the proceedings along. she said that in public. she s also asked the court to hold arraignments the week of september 5th. that s right after labor day. there are many ways this is picking up steam. indeed, we have more on all of this later in the program. but as promised, howard dean is here on this his
it s that simple. and i think you really have to read the entire indictment to understand that. and to also read the one in washington that s been filed because that dovetails with it neatly. and then to look at the other indictments too. i mean these are not inconsequential either. the one on classified documents, the facts are there. again, he lied. he stole the documents from the white house, and then he lied to the government to try and keep them and cover it up. and the same with the case in new york. the facts are there. people have to read them. this is a guy who cooked the books at the trump organization, not because he was just trying to do it for the heck of it. he was trying to cover up from the american people payoffs that he made to a porn star so that they wouldn t learn about it prior to the 2016 election. and these two other cases, the one in georgia and the one in d.c. relate to how he tried to
some of this you might have seen a little bit on msnbc. some is almost certainly new because no one can watch all coverage of all developments at once. we say around here we are living through extraordinary times. trump s co-defendants in the georgia election interference case are starting to surrender. attorney john eastman booked and released on bond. kenneth chesebro, the pro-trump attorney. criminally indicted and booked. rudy giuliani, a onetime doj official, just had this happen. this is his mug shot. they all surrendered yesterday. they ve got mug shots. it s quite something. the scene outside the georgia jail, so much happening already today. mark meadows just got booked. history happens in georgia. a prime-time surrender. here it is. criminal defendant and former president donald j. trump. whatever you think of the photo, this is not something to take lightly. the only presidential mug shot will live forever.
interview. defendant trump went down to georgia yesterday because he had to. in fact, rachel maddow and our team was discussing this just last night during the special coverage, that for all the bluster and the attacks on the prosecutors, what that physically represents, what the mug shot shows is their power on behalf of the government and the people, which this defendant surrendered to. that s happened at the state level yesterday and the federal level before that. that s a good thing because this is a nation of laws. it s not a good thing if you just want to be trolling or negative about someone you have a disagreement with. indeed, it s a free country. you can feel whatever you want. but as a system of justice, we do not want the criminal justice system to be some sort of effort at score settling or humiliation. quite the opposite. but right now, what he has subjected himself to shows who s in charge. it s not the defendants.
defendant, who repeatedly tried to overturn and steal the election. that fact is not in doubt. whether that fact became a crime, did it go beyond talking about it, musing about it, thinking about it? did it go into criminal territory of stealing the election? that is what will ultimately be adjudicated. this is a big deal. to the fulton county court system, i can tell you this defendant is now not just so much an ex-president, although he was treated with certain legal measures that reflect that, like having his guards with him as he legally may. but he is, according to georgia, this identification number. po 1135809. that is in the court documents, which are public record for him and any other defendant, along with his $200,000 bond on which he was released. this is significant, and one of those nights where we want to make sure to reflect how it is playing out not only in our country but around the world.