you do it. you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ], you can do anything. that s what you said? historically, that s true with stars. true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? if you look over the last million years, i guess that s been largely true, not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. unfortunately for donald trump, a jury of his peers determines he is indeed a sexual predator. the nine jurors deliberating for just three hours before they historic decision in favor of e. jean carroll on most counts, including sexual abuse and defamation. plus, breaking news, the law is finally catching up to the most dishonest member of congress. nbc news has learned republican congressman george santos is now facing criminal charges from the justice department. but we begin the reidout tonight with another historic first for donald trump. not only was trump the first twice impeached president, not only is he the first former pres
reputation back. and she says now she has that. she can move forward. for mr. trump s part, mr. tacopina, who has avoided us all throughout the trial, he spoke to us afterwards. he said that obviously, they re not happy. they will appeal. on several grounds. they felt that the access hollywood tape should not have been admitted. they felt anonymous jurors should not have been allowed. he has defended many mobsters and even those trials, at least the attorneys know who the jurors are. and that was not true in this case. the nine jurors, six men, three women, they were hustled out as they had been brought in and left every day. they re anonymous. they may remain anonymous. this was a huge victory for e. jean carroll and a devastating loss for mr. trump, joy. adam, could you see the jurors? are they anonymous in the sense you couldn t visibly see them when they were sitting there? we could see them. it was a mixed race jury.
his arms. i m not going to do anything. that s what you re dealing with. tim, for tacopina, he didn t have a strong hand to play. his client is not an honest person. his client says he s not going to testify. he says, oh, my client is not going to testify, then trump is overseas saying i m coming back to face my accusers. what does this sort of bode for his future cases? because he isn t a client that can be managed, and he isn t a client that knows how to tell the truth and not damn himself by talking when he does? he s also a client who doesn t pay his legal bills. you know, that s one reason he s often not drawing the top tier of legal representation. in court, because people know sometimes you do all this hard work and you get a little bit of tv publicity, but you don t get your bills paid. i think tacopina is well matched to trump because they both approach this like one horse instruments, not as i think
you re saying to the jury, this is my testimony. i m talking to you, jury, i m talking to you. oh, and i m lying to you. that s what he did. i m lying to you, to the jury. before i go to you, tim, adam, what was the reaction of the jurors to that? did they have a reaction as that tape was being played? like you said, it s a confession. it s so damning, i mean, they just watched these tapes. it wasn t just that moment in the tape. it was one after another after another. fortunately or unfortunately. i mean, it s just everybody was in shock. i just want to mention one other thing quickly. everybody, i mean, tacopina put his arms up. he said you know what i m dealing with. the judge today said he wouldn t do anything about trump s post today on truth social just as they re about to go in the jury room, he posted. it was a big moment. roberta kaplan brought it up just before they were about to go in, and the judge threw up
again, six men, three women. there were times, for instance, when she took the stand, when e. jean carroll took the stand, they were focused on her. during cross-examination, they stayed focused on her. they never looked at mr. tacopina during cross. and again, i want to say that roberta kaplan, the plaintiff s attorney, laid out this case precisely the way it should be. and they got a big victory. cynthia, let me go to you. were you surprised at how quickly this came back? i was surprised. i tried a lot of sex crimes cases. they can be very difficult, even when you think you have overwhelming evidence, they take a while to hash out. there are some ugly discussions that have to happen in that jury room. i was surprised and pleasantly surprised. i think victims really need it. i think, you know, in this post-roe world, women are under assault. there are all these women out there who have been assaulted and they just needed somebody to say, we think we re going to