the potential capability to bring one of these bombs that they had made to new york city and do something here, pretty terrifying, isn t it, that if it is indeed a home-grown internet driven operation, and there has been no outside assistance, that s quite a scary thing for the fbi to have to deal with. well, i think what you re seeing here is a shift in paradigm and that is we ve gone for more than a decade of al qaeda, al qaeda is running the plot, al qaeda affiliates are driving the plot, al qaeda lures the radical overseas, trains him as a bomb maker, zazi, the new york subway plot, shahzad, but when you go from al qaeda to al qaedaism, you have people who are self-starters just on the internet. they may never make contact or meet anybody from al qaeda. so now you re flying so far
they had made to new york city and do something here, pretty terrifying, isn t it, that if it is indeed a home-grown internet driven operation, and there has been no outside assistance, that s quite a scary thing for the fbi to have to deal with. well, i think what you re seeing here is a shift in paradigm and that is we ve gone for more than a decade of al qaeda, al qaeda is running the plot, al qaeda affiliates are driving the plot, al qaeda lures the radical overseas, trains him as a bomb maker, zazi, the new york subway plot, shahzad, but when you go from al qaeda to al qaedaism, you have people who are self-starters just on the internet. they may never make contact or meet anybody from al qaeda. so now you re flying so far below the radar screen that it s an awful lot harder to prevent these plots in a sense because
they just are unbelievably freakishly good at getting information from the internet. but you ve got to say the former is the more realistic, isn t it? well, you know, inspire magazine had a specific issue devoted to how to make a device out of a pressure cooker. and, in fact, here in new york city, back in november of 2011, we had an individual follow that recipe to a t. and in his apartment in hamilton heights, the upper west side was building a bomb in the kitchen of his uncle, per se. and that bomb was going to be a pipe bomb. and essentially, you know, following the same type of recipe that the two brothers might have followed. so they may not have had experience overseas, but they probably did test it out somewhere else. we have seen other examples where zazi was going to attack the subway in 2009, he experimented in a hotel room in colorado, how to make a hydrogen peroxide device. individuals want to try this out beforehand, before they launch their plot.
well, you know, inspire magazine had a specific issue devoted to how to make a device out of a pressure cooker. and, in fact, here in new york city, back in november of 2011, we had an individual follow that recipe to a t. and in his apartment in hamilton heights, the upper west side was building a bomb in the kitchen of his uncle, per se. and that bomb was going to be a pipe bomb. and essentially, you know, following the same type of recipe that the two brothers might have followed. so they may not have had experience overseas, but they probably did test it out somewhere else. we have seen other examples where zazi was going to attack the subway in 2009, he experimented in a hotel room in colorado, how to make a hydrogen peroxide device. individuals want to try this out beforehand, before they launch their plot. well, let s take a short break. when we come back, let s try and drop some more dots in boston and see if there is a connection there to tamerlan tsarnaev s radicalizati
we had an individual follow that recipe to a t. and in his apartment in hamilton heights, the upper west side was building a bomb in the kitchen of his uncle, per se. and that bomb was going to be a pipe bomb. and essentially, you know, following the same type of recipe that the two brothers might have followed. so they may not have had experience overseas, but they probably did test it out somewhere else. we have seen other examples where zazi was going to attack the subway in 2009, he experimented in a hotel room in colorado, how to make a hydrogen peroxide device. individuals want to try this out beforehand, before they launch their plot. well, let s take a short break. when we come back, let s try and drop some more dots in boston and see if there is a connection there to tamerlan tsarnaev s radicalization and that of his younger brother. we ll talk about this mysterious character, misha, after the break. u 8