who now an outside figure who has this kind of svengali-like that s almost too subtle of an example i can t think of someone who has managed to assert and exert this level of influence. and part of it is, in fact, he is a tribal leader. i think one of the things we re seeing in alabama, one of the things we have been seeing the last year, overall with president trump, but particularly in the alabama case, is the true triumph of tribal politics. if he is your guy, if he is your person, the facts don t matter. and bannon, by shifting the attention from the substance of the allegations, to the means by which they were reported, is the architect of that tribal war fair. jon meacham, thank you so much for being with us. we always have questions for you, getting them to you is
bannon? yes. phil, what do you say? the truth is he didn t listen to bannon quite a bit when bannon was in the white house. bannon struggled to influence the president on a whole range of issues and he was frustrated quite frequently. so bannon is not the svengali figure sometimes he s made out to be. and trump does not is not micromanaged by bannon. but obviously trump is no fan of the special counsel and that s why it s pretty important that republicans in congress are pushed good & get on record about what they would do if he takes that action because if people think that this is a real attack on the rule of law they should speak up now and make sure that the president doesn t cross that line. and one thing i want to say on his tweet about how this was all years ago. if you look at the if you read that indictment yesterday, the special counsel is accusing
economic svengali as well, art laffer on that. sometimes market can pounce on news that is promising, but sometimes not all that patient either, right? ronald reagan, took awhile to get the big tax reform. didn t take awhile to get the original 81 tax cuts. what do you see playing out here? if you look at ronald reagan, too, if you look at the stock market, it troughed in august of 1982. so we had a collapse up until 82 because of all the delays and all of that stuff in the tax bill. neil: and we had a major recession and all of that. oh, it was terrible. it was terrible. the reason for it, neil, we phased in the tax cuts because of silly accounting procedures. i like love mike rounds. he s a super senator. but all of the pay fors are
his dad to jail, you would think that jared kushner would have a savvy to avoid the types of traps that have been laid especially after winning the white house knowing that there might be some soiled background issues that are going to be exposed. isn t that a contrast? yeah. you would think he would have that. he doesn t seem to have that. i mean, there s this reputation, right, where he s the kind of svengali, the mastermind of the trump operation, and i m not sure that the trump operation really had a mastermind. i m not sure he was really it. he seems like he s sort of stumbling backward in all of these things and getting into trouble he shouldn t get into. when it comeses to how you think he will handle this fresh u, you ve seen him perform under pressure before? do you think he s up to this type of challenge? i don t think i ve ever seen him perform under this type of pressure. i mean, now we have sen aate investigators and house investigators being looking into ties with r
it was released today and already number one best seller on amazon, the author joshua green after an exhausting initial day is with us during the shank of the evening here this evening. he s also the senior national correspondent for bloomberg business week. congratulations to you. thank you. how is this anything more than svengali and sigh fer? because trump won t allow himself to have puppet strings that somebody else is going to pull and bannon is less svengali than ideologue, somebody are really deep strange motivations that have funneled themselves into this idea of nationalism that trump espoused during the campaign and rode to the white house. you used the word ideologue. if the president isn t an ideologue, what in him wanted to hand over that part of okay, you tell me how we should do this,