on tiktok for a while, and labour were able to latch on to that with the national service policy to poke fun at the conservatives. so if you ve got a young team who is really well versed with these sorts of subcultures and trends on tiktok, then you can leverage it really hard. but there are other good ways to use, you know, tiktok for content as well, where you can engage with voters and respond to videos. well, we re also joined by sam jeffers, who s the founder of who targets you, an organisation that campaigns for transparency in the way politicians campaign online. sam, what s your reaction to what sean has said? i mean, do you have your suspicions about the online tactics used by political parties? the suspicions, - maybe not so much. i mean, ithink, you know,| one of the things that s sort of been a positive over the last few years hasl been there is now more - transparency at least, right? you can actually see the ads. people are generally running, roughly the audiences they re
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insurrectionists. help me understand this, what is that decision like for public speaker, public figures, whether they should speak up about this or not? you know, it is incredibly difficult to sort out the right response to this. because, the truth of the matter is, we got the intake of experience for multiple families across the country, there was a true coordinated, subculture online, of people that do these kinds of things, phoning in the fake 9-1-1 calls for fun. they pick someone, seemingly at random oftentimes, and decide to make their lives hole. the more that people decide to speak up about it, the more that they become victims, as well. you mentioned the kansas case, where a man got 20 years for having done this. that s an unusual thing. by and large, the people who do swatting get away with it, because the law has not caught up with this. that s why public officials may feel that they don t want to speak up, because they are worried about drawing the attention of the onlin