that is able to happen through this constant media and information campaign from moscow. mike, i wanted you to weigh in on this and i earlier suggested that putin is a student of american politics and some objectives aimed at u.s. domestic politics and ask you on the base of what charlie and clint talked about how much this is like charlie suggests is part of this, in fact, and this is some people will ask, is part of what he is doing in ukraine as an objective, think about it this way, one thing to happen to be good is stealing a blow to joe biden and open the door back to donald trump coming back to the white house? well, i would say two things. i don t know that particular piece to speculate about that
years but some demographers say they re down more than at any time since the 1970s. there are fewer even then. and it is as you said mostly a problem with people overstaying their visas. so the question becomes how do we restore some kind of sanity to this debate, and the answer is to reduce the level of fear, and i m actually kind of optimistic about this, because trump has gone to the well so much. he s cried wolf so much that i think a lot of people are kind of getting tired of it and realizing and the numbers show this, that it is fear mongering. it s no longer working with them. and gene, as a student of american politics, there are issues that are highly charged and political where the trend lines don t matter as much. domestic terror attacks would be one example where they could be broadly decreasing but their existence has a lot of americans
story is that there s some sort of crisis in american immigration. yet there isn t. yes, we need border security. but as you indicated not only are the numbers down significantly over the last ten years but some dem augrfers say they re down more than any time since the 1970s. there are fewer even then, and it is as you said mostly a problem of people overstaying their visas. so the question becomes how do we restore some kind of sanity to this debate, and the answer is to reduce the level of fear. and i m actually kind of optimistic about this because trump has gone to the well so much, he s cried wolf so much, that i think a lot of people are kind of getting tired of it and realizing and the numbers show this, that his fear mongering is no longer working with them. and eugene, as a student of american politics there
sort of encompasses the whole story is that there s some sort of crisis in american immigration. yet there isn t. yes, we need border security. but as you indicated not only are the numbers down significantly over the last ten years but some dem augrfers say they re down more than any time since the 1970s. there are fewer even then, and it is as you said mostly a problem of people overstaying their visas. so the question becomes how do we restore some kind of sanity to this debate, and the answer is to reduce the level of fear. and i m actually kind of optimistic about this because trump has gone to the well so much, he s cried wolf so much, that i think a lot of people are kind of getting tired of it and realizing and the numbers show this, that his fear mongering is no longer working with them. and eugene, as a student of american politics there certainly are issues that are
country, we re not talking exactly brain trust here. and so i think, you know, what we have is donald trump increasingly speaking only to his base. and creating a second sort of narrative of what has been going on. you watch fox for a day, you will hear none of what the rest of the world essentially is reporting about the trump administration. clarence, building on sam s points, and given your role as a student of american politics, there s an argument that this goes say again? and television. and we re on television right now, if you want to get into it. there s a larger argument, right, that the blurring between the campaign season and the governing season predates donald trump, famous books like the permanent campaign argue that, but donald trump has played it forward to the degree that in the hiring of bill shine and all these other people from fox, it s almost like the lack of interest in governing has dropped to zero and the interest