sort of encompasses the whole story is that there's some sort of crisis in american immigration. yet there isn't. yes, we need border security. but as you indicated not only are the numbers down significantly over the last ten years but some dem augrfers say they're down more than any time since the 1970s. there are fewer even then, and it is as you said mostly a problem of people overstaying their visas. so the question becomes how do we restore some kind of sanity to this debate, and the answer is to reduce the level of fear. and i'm actually kind of optimistic about this because trump has gone to the well so much, he's cried wolf so much, that i think a lot of people are kind of getting tired of it and realizing and the numbers show this, that his fear mongering is no longer working with them. >> and eugene, as a student of american politics there certainly are issues that are