the new york times, were deeply suspicious of what we now describe as a deep state. we had james clapper going to congress and lying about surveilling the american people. there is a suspicion of the security services and intelligence agencies. now that they seem to be against rome, we are supposed to believe they are pure than pure. there s no question there are sufficient reasons to think that the establishment thought that the prospect of a trump presidency was unthinkable, unacceptable, and took steps to try to stop it. there s enough suspicion there to think that we really do need a thorough investigation that s equivalent to the investigation and russian meddling, which is really important, to look at the potential of deep state meddling. bret: mara, are you calling it spygate? the president is happy that he has branded something new. he has come up with spygate. he said you are calling it
i want to go on the record. bret: i don t think we have called it spygate. let s speak about spygate, if we will. the rule of the fbi, anybody, even if they worked for republican presidents, this gentleman all the way back to ronald reagan, is to do exactly this breeds to say there ve been some conversations between russia and those in the united states. paul manafort has been indicted. paul manafort is one of the people who were spoken to and to mara s point, the president has the power to find out if there was a spy embedded, if there truly was spygate. this is deflection. why deflect from the mueller special counsel investigation if there is nothing to hide. bret: both things are going forward. we always say we don t know what we don t know but we are covering both sides. the reason i bring up the jared kushner thing is how that was covered early on in the process suggested that because of all the foreign contacts and all the questions that were raised about
national security law attorney told us this is a very significant development. the bureau would ve had very senior people on this in the matter would ve been reviewed and approved of the most senior levels. this decision will be highly vetted and considered. they wouldn t be deeming him eligible for access to classified materials no matter what level of clearance if there were any outstanding counterintelligence concerns whatsoever. one person s assessment. your thoughts. i don t think jared kushner is the problem. i think the president and his rhetoric are the problem and it s caused a problem not only for his son-in-law but that tension we have seen with the rhetoric toward the fbi and other law enforcement agencies that are supposed to be working for our country and for the constitution. when we go back to mara s points, when you call the spygate, and i m not calling it spygate.
one of the biggest political uproar s in history, according to the president. chief white house white house correspondent john roberts starts us off this evening from the north lawn. good evening. critics saying president trump is overstating the case when he claims that his campaign may have been spied on. but that s not even slowing the president who is on a fast boil about what he says could be a huge political scandal. leaving the white house today, president trump let fly on what he is now calling spygate to. it looks like a very serious event but we will find out. when they look at the documents, i think people are going to see a lot of bad things happened. i hope it s not so. because if it is, there s never been anything like it in the history of our country. president trump claims the fbi may have been spying on his campaign after a confidential informant had contact and meetings with three trump campaign officials. carter page, george papadopoulos, and sam clovis.
hard right and the president that he would allow this kind of banana republic behavior to go forward. congressman gowdy today said it s okay with him if democrats attend. i don t care who comes. i am not in control of the invite list. if you re going to show up, show up with an open mind and closed lips. in other words, don t leak like a sieve. the accusations of spygate exploded as president trump was on his way to long island for a law enforcement roundtable on the murderous gang ms-13. president trump in a lather about democrats criticism of a use of the word animals. democrats, nancy pelosi is an example, are trying to defend ms-13 gang members. i called them animals. and i was met with rebuke. they said they are people. they are not people.