more radical view that elections shouldn t count. that states should have their own electoral colleges. state legislature should overturn it. there has to be a reckoning with the top man in a way that couldn t in 1974. you laid it out well, david. emily, reading a new report, people are really loyalist until the end. she tells the committee that trump was speaking to powell. this is one of the real dead-end lawyers after other lawyers stand up. giuliani was the president muted the speaker phone, laughed and told the others in the room this does sound crazy, doesn t it? what do you think this peek we get into the room that is a kind of dismissive informational nilism that even if you weren t concerned about rule of law and
mike pence. if mike pence does the right thing we win the election. reporter: this leading the committee to recommend an overhaul of the 1887 electoral count act that s close to becoming a reality as the house and senate have each passed their own reform bills. back in 2020, trump did not agree with every outlandish theory his team presented. the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba, and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states. reporter: when sydney powell repeated these conspiracy theorys in a phone call to trump white house aide hope hicks told the committee the. the muted his speaker phone and laughed at powell telling the others in the room, this does sound crazy, doesn t it? the committee also laying out trump s failure to act for 187 minutes during the riot writing president trump did not contact a single top national security official during the day. trump responding to the report
800-plus pages and something else that really jumps out is one detail that trump actually laughed at sidney powell s election fraud claims. something that, you know, that s very different from what he was saying publicly. tell us about that. reporter: yes. so sidney powell, she was an election attorney pushing these fraud claims in court. she even did that press conference with rudy giuliani, pointing out these baseless machines that the dominion machines had been tampered with, and when he heard this, according to hope hicks, he was on the phone and muted the phone and laughed at powell telling the others in the room, this does sound crazy, doesn t it? so the president might have been laughing in private, but you know, kristen, he never publicly disavowed her claims, and the former president responding to this entire report on his social media page today. he continues to call the committee and their findings a witch hunt, and kristen, of course, to this day still insists falsely tha
right. i think this is not about messaging, not with 18 days at this point. and democrats are never gonna be as effective using fear because we like to use nuance, have a longer conversation, top policy. right now, my local democrats, i m telling people i m just going to go knocking on doors and say do you like clean drinking water? because it is in peril. it s true, it s effective, it might work, right now what the democrats should be doing, what i m doing, is organizing. it s not about the message at this point. people know who they re going to be voting for. if you are the solution, you re gonna be part of the problem. here three weeks from the election. if you are going to do hyperbole, this is the time to do it, right. republicans are going all in. let s make it sound crazy, and then we can blame biden and the democrats. sounds like a good message. it does not matter if it s true. and for that matter, democrats do a little bit of this as well. this is the season for hyperbole. i
control of their own lives. that is not new, the. this is not new. i m old enough to remember weapons of mass destruction in iraq, and so many of their lies that activity people, this is always been led by the right-wing media, and then republicans in office, they have to follow along and take their marching orders from the most influential people on the right. well, i think this is not about messaging, now with 18 days out at this point. and democrats are never gonna be able to be as effective, using fear, because we like to use new ones, have longer conversations, top policy. right now, my local democrats, and telling people, undergo knocking on doors and say, do you like clean drinking water? because it s in peril? does that matter to you? it s true, it s effective, it might work. but right now, what democrats should be doing, what i m certainly doing, organizing. it s not about the message at this point. people know who are there are going to be voting for. if you re not part of