door? it is like a thump. loud enough for you to hear? yes. even with the thumping of the base going? sure. it was a different sound. you said it looked like a barrel of a gun or a shotgun. it was thick enough profile it was to my eye a 12-gauge, maybe 20. tell the jury, are you familiar with 12-gauge and 20-gauge shotguns? yes. how are you familiar with those type of shotguns? we do the sporting plays. that s like skeet but, you know, the birds come from different directions. it is like shooting skeet. do you actually shoot bird sns. no. i m sorry. that s what they call the clay pin pigeon. when you hear somebody say pull, the clay gets shot out? yes. when you say we, who is we? my father and quite a few people from the aviation