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Affected. T baker gave about the zozzi had 215 im not convinced that if we had this place under the facts of that case we would have probably an explosion in the subway new york city. And the reaction that we had 9 11 that you referred to and iay be overstepped understand what you are saying, that is the way congress tends the nfortunately reaction would have been to the opinion,re we where we wouldnt be here today talking about modifying them in a softer way. We be talking about modifying them in a stronger way. Mr. Baker, you at Homeland Security, you were at Homeland Security until 2000 or yes being on the show much access you had to redo any cases that may involve the use of 215. But can you shed any light on this from the standpoint of any, number one, abuses older reasons why Even Stronger reasons why e15 should be maintain . I heard mr. Geithner said he did know of any abuses and i agree with that. I did not see the abuses and i will say, we felt so strongly about the importance

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