or the ineptitude within the criminaljustice or the ineptitude within the criminal justice system or the ineptitude within the criminaljustice system itself. and criminal ustice system itself. and where criminaljustice system itself. and where do you criminaljustice system itself. and where do you think south africa is now? when we first looked at this case, almost ten years ago now, there were so many questions about gender based violence in south africa and also the level of crime, you know, that oscar pistorius had a gun, that they were in a gated community. has that changed, do you think, societally? trio. community. has that changed, do you think, societally? think, societally? no, not quite. and it is very think, societally? no, not quite. and it is very disturbing. - think, societally? no, not quite. and it is very disturbing. i - think, societally? no, not quite. and it is very disturbing. i am i think, societally? no, not quite. and it is very disturbing. i am a | and it
that require to a certain extent that people can be proactive about vetting? i m not agreeing with what they ve done or disagreeing. i m just saying, if we re saying societally that people ought to have the right and autonomy to do so, where does that line get drawn? two things real quickly. the first point is, why would you want to patronize someone who hates you? so i don t understand. if you re a gay couple, why would you want to go to a designer who doesn t want to design for gay couples? they didn t know that. so in the future, i think this will all vet work itself out in terms of people who are known, they just won t be going there. i don t know if you can just leave it the up to the market like you re saying. the second part is, to answer go to where laura s talking about, pull on the thread jim was talking about, if i walk into a restaurant, is someone going to type me up on open secrets, see who i donated to? he donated to this charity, i don t like that charity
they have done in their private life, you cannot possibly think that that is a good bar to set. i do not think it is the bar. i don t think it s the bar. the point is if we are talking to your point, the moral equivalence, the expectation of being able to have the right to exclude or invite based on the criteria you set in your private establishment, does that not require to a certai n extent that people can be proactive about vetting? i m not agreeing with what they ve done or disagreeing. i m just saying if you are saying societally, that people ought to have the right and autonomy to do so, where does that line get drawn? two things, real quickly. the first point is why would you want to patronize someone who hates you, right?
different subcultures that are extremely violent. they think the best way to get their message out, or they think the best way to show they can t live in this world is to murder a bunch of people at a parade. we have to start adapting societally to this, not just as a law enforcement perspective. we have to recognize the signs and working in our communities, in real life, to stop this stuff. ben, i hear your frustration. i think everybody watching shares the frustration. here we go again. as you said, just to go back to the beginning, this all was out there. this all was online, and there are people in his life who knew about it, who could have intervened, and may have stopped this. then the other stuff you talked about, the trail online, that gets into what does a red law flag do? it applies to criminal convictions and complaints. it doesn t apply to stuff you may have written online. it comes down to people in the shooter s life. ben collins, great reporting, as always. thanks so m
identifying people need mental health help so i look at this a little carefully to make sure it gets to the people who need it. how many mistakes do you make before you hit on a kid who might do harm? how many kids are out of have no problems at all and not allowed to have their due process? a slippery slope of the entire thing, whatever you put in place red flag laws, that could possibly happen. the entire bill in and of itself and you touched on this, you never get to the root of the problem obviously something has changed in this country, obviously we did not have mass shootings in the same manner we do now 40, 50 years ago. we have the same average number of households of americans that are gun owners, legal gun owners but something has changed societally and that is not