seek krend program is senator rand paul, and largely without the backing of his fellow republicans. while some of hess congressional colleagues are going so far to call the snowden leak an act of treason, paul says it s an act of civil disobedience. senator rand paul of kentucky joins me now. senator, thanks for being here. i want you to listen to what the head of the national security agency just told congress minutes ago about how important this type of surveillance is in stopping terrorist attacks specifically specifically the 2009 attempted attack. the phone numbers on zazi were the things that allowed us to use the business records, fisa to go and find connections from zazi from other players throughout the community, specifically in new york city. so, senator paul, we ve heard this claim, there it is the director saying on the record if