everybody who makes a phone call. that s a generalized warrant and unconstitutional. i think the argument from the national security agency, just to play devil s advocate here would be a lot of these calls and relationships are in the past tense action and by storing up this data, as they get it, they can then go back and look at it once they know where to look. your response to that? if they want to release all the phone calls that nazir made zazi, and prove that none of those were going forward and couldn t have been gotten from a warrant, i suspect these love these programs so much that sometimes the truth may be stretched. i don t know, because most of this is classified information. i would also telling you even though they re trolling through a billion, we re still having attacks because of poor police work. the underwear bomber that came from nigeria, he dad reported
seek krend program is senator rand paul, and largely without the backing of his fellow republicans. while some of hess congressional colleagues are going so far to call the snowden leak an act of treason, paul says it s an act of civil disobedience. senator rand paul of kentucky joins me now. senator, thanks for being here. i want you to listen to what the head of the national security agency just told congress minutes ago about how important this type of surveillance is in stopping terrorist attacks specifically specifically the 2009 attempted attack. the phone numbers on zazi were the things that allowed us to use the business records, fisa to go and find connections from zazi from other players throughout the community, specifically in new york city. so, senator paul, we ve heard this claim, there it is the director saying on the record if
it weren t for this type of surveillance, who knows how many thousands of new yorkers would have died. what s your response? i think there s a bit of a credibility gap with the intelligence agencies. they frankly lied to us in open testimony in committee and said they weren t collecting any data, when in fact they were not collecting data, but billions of bits of it. i have heard news reports that zazi was connected to a guy named nazr. my question if they would answer, would be did they get zazi s name from in a cyr. i m not opposed to searches the phone records of people we think are terrorists. you go to a judge, it s not that difficult of a bar. you get phone records from in the meantime asir. then if you have zazi calling other people you get warrants from those people, but that does not require the phone reports of