medicaid but will provide an off-ramp because a lot of people shouldn t be on medicaid and help them get care in the private market and do so through tax across to use going forward. what do you think of that analysis? do you think that is good as you would see now? it would be states like mine who have the expansion and other non-expansion states where we re at logger heads here. i can see in my medicaid expansion population the availability of treatment and how well it s working and how they re accessing preventative care and their primary care doctors. i want to preserve that. i think medicaid does preserve that. i m not in opposition to making sure that those folks, if they move from medicaid expansion into the market, that they have
plan. what we are proposing instead of taxing you for not having insurance now, what we are going to do we re not talking about those people, sir. hold on, hold on, hold on one second. we re not talking about the people in the individual marketplace who have the money to buy insurance and are being helped with subsidies. i m talking specifically about this population that you said shouldn t be on medicaid, the 400,000 people in your state. these people are working, they are poor, they don t have the money to buy insurance. so how would giving them more choices help them if the don t have the money to buy any othe choices? first of all, i would question whether they are all working. if you re at 138% of the poverty rate they re going to be able to use them to buy insurance with. we re going to be offering that. we re giving tax credits for them to be able to buy insurance. let me stop again. if you are at 138% of the poverty rate, you can t panhandle your way to 138% of
planes cut it so dangerously close. heather: what a scare. julie bandaras, thank you so much. and, the passengers i m sure were a little jittery to get back on the plane ja and the guys in the tower, too. a bombshell, as republicans and democrats are scratching their heads. millions of middle class americans could soon get free health insurance that was designed for the poor thanks to a loophole buried in the law. i agree we need to review this and maybe amend it but, one thing needs to be clear. changing it is not necessarily going to save money, because, these seniors, if they are not in the medicaid program, are not high income individuals and they ll qualify for tax credits, to go into the exchange. bill: that was chris valn holle and it will affect early retirees, aged 62, mostly married couples with an income of $64,000 a year. total about 3 million people, nationwide and, jonah goldberg is scratching his head about
this was something that was identified at the time. the question was whether you stick with the existing definition of income, which they did, or whether you rewrite the tax code and bill: that s what he said. he said it keeps him up at night. he s one of these guys that are crunching the numbers, trying to figure out what the cost is going to be, and it seems like these markers keep shifting every week. actually, this is an important point. the fact is that when the cbo scored this and the savings and the costs, they did take into account this provision. so the cost estimate cbo had took this into account. now, if you were to modify it, maybe you could get cost savings, but again, i want to stress, these individuals between the ages of 62 and 65, they re not high income individuals. i agree they shouldn t be on medicaid but they will therefore they will. bill: they will qualify for medicaid the way the law is now.
would be the simple employee cheap simply cheaper to do so. bill: richard foster, i don t know if you know him, he s quoted in this article, saying the situation a situation like this, keeps him up at night and is like allowing middle class people to qualify for food stamps and that is not what the system is set up for. no, it s not what we were told it was going to be and basically what already, under obamacare, half of the 32 million people who have gained coverage are get it by getting enrolled on medicaid and medicaid is not a great health insurance provider. but, basically what they are trying to do and it is a little disappointing for people who think, now i have great health insurance, they are on medicaid but, what the ultimate goal, at least, the critics like me, of obamacare and of the approach is to eventually destroy the independent private insurance sector and get everybody into a government system, and, then there is no you know, there