again, they re inexperienced, i understand this, but common sense would say, there is something about this that isn t right, and this is not a meeting we should have. hold on one second. bring bob baer into this. former cia operative. bob, in the e-mail chain, it clearly identifies the russian attorney as the russian government attorney. she was interviewed. she de nigh denies this. she s a russian attorney. talk about cutouts if you will, because in a situation, a sensitive situation, issue like this, the russian government, the russian intelligence community, would not necessarily employ a specific russian operative, but they would have what they call cutouts. exactly, wolf. this lady you should look at, the lawyer, as an access agent. that s what the russians would call her. she was sent to the trumps to probe their willingness to cooperate.