some of the cases, when you look at the testimony that you see all of those that were there on january 6th, i don t feel sorry for them, but you could tell that they were misled. that really comes through in a lot of sentencing documents, where they actually believed that the election was stolen. today, when you go through that indictment, you can see how many people that were very closely around the president. how many actions failed to follow through or didn t go through, how much of a conspiracy there wasn t all of those states to really push a falsehood. and they kept pushing that falsehood over and over and over again. so i think for those law enforcement officers there that day, and for every american hand to witness what happened on january 6th, hopefully this can bring resolution that those that are actually orchestrating this event, those that put the impetus there, the push that false belief out, there might be held accountable. i hope that s a powerful reflection after waiti
this case, has done his speaking through those indictments, through those court filings, through those guilty pleas, through those sentencing documents. he s added more details than necessary. absolutely. i think we have every reason to believe he s going to do that with one final round of indictments that ties up some of these loose threads and fills in some of the bread crumbs that he s left us along the way. nelson, you recently wrote that we may be focusing on the wrong report, there could be a second counterintelligence report filed. can you explain that? that s right. it s a piece i did in the daily beast last week. in addition to working in the clinton white house, i was also for six years a federal prosecutor in new york. in fact, rudy giuliani hired me and i know from that time the fbi is divided into two parts. half is the law enforcement side that we see very visibly. the other half of the fbi is the counterintelligence division, which is designed to protect americ
garrett, you say you believe mueller may do one more round of indictments and do his speaking in nose fithose fightingslings. if so, do you think mueller is close to finishing? absolutely. i think all signs are pointing this to be being more a matter of days or weeks than months at this point, and it seems, for all of the reasons you just went through with congressman castro, that mueller is not going to let his entire two-year investigation hinge on what bill barr decides to release when under what executive privilege, et cetera, et cetera. bob mueller, from day one in this case, has done his speaking through those indictments, through those court filings, through those guilty pleas, through those sentencing documents he s added more details than necessary. absolutely. i think we have every reason to believe he s going to do that with one final round of
supposedly cooperating. he continued to lie, which shows a complete disrespect for the law. and if we are going to have a rule of law, then we have to punish people who totally ignore it and are disrespectful of it. so i think he could get a long sentence. okay. you know there is something, ken, we re not going to learn from today, right, the sentencing. if and whether robert mueller found that paul manafort conspired with the russians to interfere with the election. we can only infer that robert mueller has not filed anything in the criminal court papers that would suggest that. there was the cryptic hint that manafort turned over polling data to a man connected to russian intelligence. but there was no mention of that in the sentencing documents. and so it is a great mystery. axios has framed this up about the lack of historical parallels that are involved here. they talk about some of the biggest political scandals in american history. and you had a front row seat to one of th
to giving this false testimony, in his plea documents and sfnsing documentsfn sentencing documents, they certified that michael cohen gave testimony about circumstances of preparing and circulating his false testimony. preparing and circulating. what that told me at the time, other people were involved in reviewing this, other people were involved in putting this lie forward, and now michael cohen says at least some of the people who were being alluded it to there were trump s personal attorneys. abby, this not abe a pleasan or comfortable day for the people around president trump. obviously they know all of this is happening. they have been reading michael cohen s written statement that he prepares to give. and it s just going to be hard, i would imagine, for them today to figure out the how to thread this needle when all this is happening on congress. what are you hearing? absolutely. i think there are two things happening here. one, it s that the president is obviously thinkin