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to not be incarcerated because they re less criminal which means he s arguing ideas of white superiority, which is ideas that i don t believe in, and which are racist ideas. no, people have more not because they are more, but because of bad rules. you wrote the bestselling book how to be an anti racist in 2020, so two years on do you have a sense that.? and it sold millions. do you have a sense that you ve made any difference to the debate ie, that race division in america is becoming any less corrosive? that progress of any sort is being made? well, i mean, ithink that, you know, in 2020, in the united states, there were upwards of, what, 25 million people who took to the streets and demonstrated against police violence and racism. and many of those people went home and started orjoined organisations in their local communities. and looking at the statistics, and it s interesting you alight on that one, the statistic suggests as ofjune of this year,

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