interests. he has an obligation as the president of the united states to sit down and cooperate with this investigation and talk to bob mueller and his team. taking the fifth is not a viable option for the president of the united states and it s not something we should allow our leaders to do. i want to ask about this new lawyer, joe dinova. he has slammed the fbi and the department of justice. i want to show part of what he told fox business just a couple weeks ago. this was a plot, a brazen plot to exonerate hillary clinton in the e-mail server case, to make to ensure that she became president. and if by chance she lost, part of the plot was to frame donald trump with a false crime. this is the single most important scandal of the last 50 years, because senior doj and fbi officials engaged in conduct that was designed to corrupt an american presidential election. it wasn t the russians who corrupted the presidential election, it was the american
since the top doj official could be involved. the number 4 person in the department of justice, bruce ohr s wife worked for fusion gps. he had dozens of contacts with mr. steele. the informant the fbi was using on the payroll of the democratic party. there s no way in the world he should have interacted with mr. steele because his wife worked for the same organization. so somebody other than the people in charge today needs to look at what they did yesterday. so as i listen back to senator grassley there, takes me back to a tweet by the president that said we re going to need investigators to investigate the investigators. when we look at the basis of a special counsel investigation, there s some kind of political consideration that would prevent the department of justice from doing what it normally does. it will be hard to think of a circumstance that more obviously calls for some additional outside process than looking at malfeasance in the doj itself.
we ve seen so much of it now where they put some sanctions in place, taken some action. clearly there s something wrong here at the top level. that s something that needs to be looked at by people independent of the people that might have been involved in the very corrupt process. you have that baseline. some of the people are gone. the inspector general won t have the reach or the score to go. there s something like 22 people. the questions they want looked at are the questions about the fisa process. how warrants are authorized for american citizens when they include foreign intelligence sources or reporting. it s a question of oversight of the fisa process. so i actually think that doj is the right and proper place to do that. i m confident that doj, if they find wrong doing, this should an example of how they investigate themselves. so what would happen? two things. just base these republicans don t like the fisa court did
before his pension kicks in after decades of service and what should jeff sessions do? plus, four republican senators are calling for a second special counsel to investigate the doj and fbi. is that second special counsel necessary? outnumbered overtime at the top of the hour. have a great show, harris. thank you. new controversy over an msnbc host s reaction to an emotional interview with larry kudlow describing his decision to take the job. kudlow has been open about his catholic faith. take a watch. my life has had twists and turns, as people know. with god s grace, i ll have 23 years clean and sober in the next couple months. and however, this works out, it will be god s will. later an msnbc anchor reacted
from it that you ve seen completely polar opposite end of how this doj and the justice department can treat people based on partisan affiliation. we should do a top to bottom scrub of what happened in the hillary clinton e-mail foundation and the and specific to russia and the dossier. you can go there according to marie and branch out in nine different directions. we know for a fact that the clinton campaign, you can say it was indirect, paid for information from a foreigner using russian sources and specifically part of an attempt to get information to derail a president. that is that is very different than russian government activity, intrusions into our cyber space let me finish. the fact that the russians hacked into e-mails and released them has been proven. the trump aspect has not been proven at all. it s different from a foreign