over that in this report, which is flawed, because they were not able to interview many of those who were involved in the program, because there was a department of justice investigation. maybe they should have investigations, allow these people to put the programs into place to be interviewed, to be investigated, let them make their case. michael hayden is saying he would like to see a full investigation that does include testimony, that does include things that were not included in the senate staff report. i think he says that knowing it s not going to happen. the department of justice has closed this case basically.
proceed when it was a dire situation in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? cheerily this ko clearly this country was traumatiz traumatized. but at those lowest moments you need to rely on your values, upon the oath of the constitution and what that means. and we failed. for me, at this point, though, the question is, what now? this report has come out, now what happens? we re having in the media a debate, a conversation, but what now? how do we go forward? one thing, valley, before we go, i would say about the report is, it reads to me as a nonargumentative report. they re simply saying based on the 6.3 million pages of documents we ve been able to review, we do not find the evidence in these documents that proves the following thing. or we do find the evidence in these documents that does prove this thing. it s not a so far in what
can t believe that this was done in our name. when you read the details it really is repugnant. hayden makes the point over and over that in this report, which is flawed, because they were not able to interview many of those who were involved in the program, because there was a department of justice investigation. maybe they should have investigations, allow these people to put the programs into place to be interviewed, to be investigated, let them make their case. michael hayden is saying he would like to see a full investigation that does include testimony, that does include things that were not included in the senate staff report.
the republican response to the senate report says no, the full fabric of the intelligence has to be considered. and included in the full fabric are some elements, some threads that came out of torture. how do we sort this out? it is hard, because they have each side has honed their arguments and it s loud and hot and history is at stake. on the cia said, i would say the effectiveness of torture has been vastly overstated. on the other part, i would say in deference to your previous job in the senate, maybe the staffers didn t get everything they needed to or understand the context, but that doesn t take away from the core question of, is this who we are? is this how we re going to
in the program yet. i think there s some important things coming out of this story that, as i said, i think this is a big hole in the senate report that they don t really examine how this mitchell-jessen-seer psychologist thing happened. if you compare this to the committee report this in and of itself did a better job than the senate intelligence report of kind of looking at the back channels that happened before this program, this seed really started in washington, it s very important to see how mitchell and jessen, who in washington told them they were kwaul qualified to run this program. i don t think that question is really examined in the senate committee report. the more he talks, the less qualified he sounds. thank you very much for joining me tonight. thank you. thank for having me. coming up, new rules for nfl players in domestic abuse cases. the national football them ?