the republican response to the senate report says no, the full fabric of the intelligence has to be considered. and included in the full fabric are some elements, some threads that came out of torture. how do we sort this out? >> it is hard, because they have -- each side has honed their arguments and it's loud and hot and history is at stake. on the cia said, i would say the effectiveness of torture has been vastly overstated. on the other part, i would say in deference to your previous job in the senate, maybe the staffers didn't get everything they needed to or understand the context, but that doesn't take away from the core question of, is this who we are? is this how we're going to