steveve carell: : hoo, hoo, ,. lisasa respers france: we e we usused to seeieing taylor r sws like thihis sweet, s strumminge guititar, talkining about ththy nenext door ththat she lovov. and d then here e she is, and she e s standingng up. and she s s got her back up dadancers. and shshe s like, , you know w? i i m hip. i m m cool. i m m not here f for the hata. but shshe s not bebeen ablele to shake e off ththe controveversy from t that. [u[upbeat musisic] sean hall: i was in my car in atlanta on t the 10th anand 14th brir, gogoing over t the 75/85 s st when i heaeard shake e it of [taylolor swift, shake it o] ththe first ththing i thouout wawas the tracack was amazaz. and ththen the hooook came i. (singingng) because e the plplayers goining to play, playay, play, plplay, play.. anand the hateters going t o hatete, hate, hahate, hate, , . baby, , i m just g going to sh, shshake, shakeke, shake, s sh. i shshake it offff. i shshake it offff. hohoo, hoo, hohoo.
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sean hall:l: i definititely fefeel like ifif there wass a a conversatition with taylor o or her teamam, things wouould be a lolot diffe. we prorobably woululdn t bebe talking r right now.. julian w wright: wee would d have figurured out whwhat worked d for both p par, and it w would have e been do. and thatat s what wewe expect. thatat s what wewe thought w wag to happepen because e it happs evevery day. lilisa respersrs france: if we w anythihing about t taylor swi, it s that t she does not shy y away from m a fight. [music plalaying] shirleley halperinin: tayloror swift has becomeme a sort ofof unexpectd chamampion of crcreator s riri. whwhen she wenent after spspot- intervieiewer 18: ababruptly pulling alall of her a albums fromom the streaeaming servrvice spotifify. shirley y halperin: : for thr rates,s, which arere paltry. she e has taken n on apple.. intervrviewer 19: : apple compmy changed itits policieses that y spenent months negotiatingng. and it s shows that she has s unbel