it is 1975. he doesn t understand how the landscape has changed so radically. speak to the importance of getting information out the way you have. not only americans, but people across the world were electrified by president zelenskyy when he gave that speech with his cabinet ministers in the streets of kyiv the first night, saying, we re still here and we re not leaving. how important is it, what you are doing getting the information out not only to fellow ukrainians but also allies across the world? yeah, this is really extremely important. i believe that well, the actual matrix the minister of digital transformation has the fight, the fight from russia side. they spread fake news, they
announced for civilians of the territories they control in eastern ukraine. putin is trying to stokeuclear . he chose this moment to say he s staging military drills to test russia s nuclear delivery systems and plans to super vice the launches himself after putin unveiled what he called invincible nuclear weapons in 2018. and after he endorsed a new first strike policy in 2020, justifying their use in a conventional war. joining me now is russian opposition politician vladimir, lieutenant colonial alexander vindman for european affairs and senior advisor to vote vets, in, nbc news reporter matthew. give us the read on the ground tonight, at least on the russia side. reporter: yes, we ve seen a change in the russian narrative today and it concerning and
relatively less violent effort to topple the government and install a pro russian puppet regime in kyiv. he s clearly escalating. and we re seeing that in the increasing casualties and use of indiscriminate violence in ukraine. i do think it matters when you have a situation where the only country that voted essentially on russia side were syria, north korea, eritrea. this is not a coalition that can help you sustain the degree of isolation that he s facing. i do you think economically the chinese will be something of a lifeline. but the reality is russia is more isolated today than it ever has been since the fall of the soviet union and what it s doing. and that isolation is deepening in its cultural, political, its economic, and so the costs that are stacking up on putin are going to take an enormous toll on both his regime and on the russian people. and the only question is at
economic pressure, every bit of political isolation are the tools that are currently available. it clearly doesn t mean anything to vladimir putin calculus though in the short term or even the medium term here. he s clearly said on this course of destruction and having not met his goals in a relatively less violent effort to topple the government and install a pro russian puppet regime in kyiv. he s clearly escalating. and we re seeing that in the increasing casualties and use of indiscriminate violence in ukraine. i do think it matters when you have a situation where the only country that voted essentially on russia side were syria, north korea, eritrea. this is not a coalition that can help you sustain the degree of isolation that he s facing. i do you think economically the chinese will be something of a lifeline. but the reality is russia is more isolated today than it
fellow dean chang. dane, welcome to the show. what do you make of all of this? how are the chinese with a sense of this speech, but what are they as they observe what happened to russia during this invasion, how are they absorbing this and deciding what they are going to do perhaps with taiwan? so what we see but the chinese as the russians go into ukraine is an interesting set of mixed messages. the public message that they are sending at the u.n. and elsewhere is, let s have discussions here at this is terrible, territorial integrity and sovereign matters. then they turn around and basically sign contracts with the russians for brain sales, for coal sales. so basically they are taking, they are trying to occupy both sides. they want to be able to say look, we are not enormously on russia side, but when it