did anybody in there supported mr. clark? no one. mr. rosen, it was you he was going to replace. what was your view about the president s plan to appoint mr. clark? well, as i lewded to earlier, the issue wasn t about me. it was it would have been fine, as i said, to have rich donoghue replace me. welcome to the five. the january 6th hearings continuing on capitol. we ll monitor it for breaking news. you can watch it on foxnews.com/stream. the supreme court with a ruling that will rock blue states from coast to coast. the nation s highest court tossing out new york state s restrictive regulations on conceal permits, and saying
roger. just sent you something on signal. just sent you an updated file. did you call jeff clark? mr. donoghue, representative perry called you the next day on december 27. who told him to call you? my understanding is the president did at the outset of the call, congressman. perry told me that he was calling at the behest of the president. what did he want to talk about? about pennsylvania in particular. he gave me some background about why he in particular doesn t trust the fbi and why the american people don t necessarily trust the fbi. and then he went in to some allegations specific to pennsylvania which included amongst others this allegation that the secretary of state had certified more votes than were cast. did you direct the local u.s. attorney s office to investigate that claim? mr. perry said that he had a
into the meeting or something, i forget how far in, that mr. donoghue was outside, and he said, well, bring him in. and then mr. donoghue came in and joined the meeting. so, mr. donoghue, you enter that room. can you set the scene for us and describe the tone you walked into? yes, but if i could just back up one moment, congressman, because you put the pictures up on the screen of the aags. one of the aags who s not on the screen was john, the national security division aag. john was on the call but i prefaced the call by saying, john, we need you to stay in place. national security is too important. we need to minimize the disruption. whether you resign is entirely up to you. obviously, we ll respect your decision either way, but i m asking you, please stay in place. and he did. so i don t want to leave the impression that he was not willing to resign because i think he was. thank you for that. with regard to entering the oval office, i was sitting in the hallway. an administr
shman and mr. donoghue, quote, forcefully challenged mr. clark to produce evidence of his election fraud theories. mr. rosen, can you describe how that meeting started? yes. so, after some preliminaries so, mr. meadows had ushered us all in, and then he left. so, mr. cipollone did some introductions, i think, so after some preliminaries, the president turned to me, and he said, well, one thing we know is you, rosen, you aren t going to do anything. you don t even agree with the claims of election fraud. and this other guy at least might do something. and then i said, well, mr. president, you re right that i m not going to allow the justice department to do anything to try to overturn the election. that s true. but the reason for that is because that s what s consistent with the facts and the law, and that s what s required under the
constitution. so, that s the right answer and a good thing for the country, and therefore, i submit it s the right thing for you, mr. president. and that kicked off another two hours of discussion, in which everyone in the room was in one way or another making different points, but supportive of my approach for the justice department and critical of mr. clark. so, at some point, mr. donoghue comes in the room. can you explain what led to him coming in the room? oh, i forgot about that. so, initially, in part, i think, because he was underdressed, and we had not arranged we had not yet told the president that he was going to come in, the white house had a list of who would be there. that did include mr. engel and the white house counsel and the deputy white house counsel, mr. herschmann. we went in and told the president, maybe ten minutes