Hello and welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle senator Chuck Schumer famously said shortly after trump was elected you take on the Intelligence Community they have 6 ways from sunday at getting back at you in light of the failed russia gate hoax and this nonsense with ukraine this characterization appears to be spot on should we all fear the deep state. Talking the deep state im joined by my guest Daniel Mcadams including hes the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for peace and prosperity in washington we crossed to Richard Goodstein he is a democratic strategist and a former Campaign Adviser to bill and Hillary Clinton and in new you. We cross to john burnett he is managing director and founder of one empire group a business and political Consultancy Company all right Jonathan Cross liberals in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate daniel make out of that we go to you include you inspired this program with an
A great interview but this sentence stuck out the u. S. Has ceased being a republic and has become a National Security state elaborate on what you mean go ahead. Well the National Security state you know really essentially formed with a 947 National Security act which created the cia the n. S. A. And really created a secret underground government that is not really is not really subject to democracy and i saw a lot of this when i was on capitol hill and in fact the term deep state was coined by a good friend of mine on capitol hill michael often but on capitol hill you had Permanent Committee staff 6 members who are not subject to democratic elections they wrote the legislation they worked together regardless of party they were beholden to special interests i remember sitting there and having a bill dealing with the middle east and one of the permanent staff or says dont worry about it this is a pact proved it happened all the time they were they were they were subject to special inter
Security state you know really essentially formed with a 947 National Security act which created the cia the n. S. A. And really created a secret underground government that is not really is not really subject to democracy and i saw a lot of this when i was on capitol hill and in fact the term deep state was coined by a good friend of mine on capitol hill michael often but on capitol hill you had Permanent Committee staff 6 members who are not subject to democratic elections they wrote the legislation they worked together regardless of party they were beholden to special interests i remember sitting there and having a bill dealing with the middle east and one of the permanent staff or says dont worry about of this is a pact proved it happened all the time they were they were they were subject to special interest not to democracy these people you know politicians come and go representatives or elected or unelected but these people stay forever and theres a real theres a lot of it on cap
Positions in power and i dont want to get partisan here because this happened during the Obama Administration these figures here and went into the Trump Administration im worried about institutions as daniel said politicians come and go go ahead richard. You know unlike perhaps some of you on this show i tend to side with the u. S. Intelligence community this is in contrast to our distinguished president over here putin i tend to think that when our Intelligence Community and say the Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee concludes that the russians did indeed again present trump doesnt buy this but every other able minded person does did indeed interfere with the u. S. Elections i tend to accept that as fact not Adult Fiction about it implicit in which richard theyre not really but youre not really answering my question here ok i mean if you look at the invest. That have been done with these scandals here there are people facing indictments people were fired for lying people word ar
Interfere with u. S. Elections i tend to accept that as fact not Adult Fiction about it implicit in which richard youre not really but youre not really answering my question here ok i mean if you look at the investigations that have been done with these scandals here there are people facing indictments people were fired for lying people were on our investigation for. A number of things that that should have been part of their their mandate i mean theyre supposed to. Execute policy and not create it and we theres an ample amount of evidence that these people did this let me go i know youre frustrated here but lets get everybody in 1st john you want to react to that and then well make it a free for all go ahead john. I was never thought i would say this but i actually agree with richard in the sense that i think that we were stablished on law and order were missing the order part with respect to some of our Law Enforcement agencies some of them lean right some of them lean left however w