and justice kennedy got the nod and he was a pretty conservative guy. and they looked at all of his writings and they were concerned about his some footnote that he wrote about respect for privacy, but they decided to overlook it and there were people in the administration later who didn t like the fact that they had overlooked it. i mean, they thought that was a bad thing. and just i would add two things to that. number one, remember that justice kennedy we talk about today is not the one that came onto the court back in 1988. secondly, you had this sort of more moderate push. once bork got shot down, the next nominee was conservative. the democrats controlled the senate. it s not like you go from conservative to more moderate. they re all pretty mainstream conservative.
a political document, the folks at the society and heritage foundation. they don t think they re mainstream conservatives. they think they re movement conservatives. those 25 folks are movement conservatives. they re people who have been waiting a long time to look at vast quantities of the law, very, very differently. and the president the first list was 12, i think. president was so thrilled that it reassured the evangelicals, got such great press in the conservative press about it, he said let s do it again. and that then they added a couple more people. but that s the list. and the list is not what we used to call a mainstream
about why he or how his involvement is coming to be. we ll take a look the about it, and paul butler i ll ask you about t. are you going to ask them to get those documents over to congress? i may get involved. i ve been told by so many people don t get involved. it s not good. and they ll get the documents and it s getting and they re getting them, and they re great people. i didn t like the scene the paul butler, what is your take on the president s words? that was in many ways i m not sure i heard him acknowledge the russian s goal was to sow discord. i know rod rosenstein, we
here s what the had to say about it in his fox interview, and we ll talk about it. would it be better to actually have our allies together to go against china instead of pushing back on our allies? you tweeted critically of the president s policy on that position saying he needs to, quote, change tactics now. what doesn t the president get about this, in your view? this is the thing. when people say i m tweeting critically, i m just really offering a bird s eye advice objectively. it s like the same thing with the child separation act. i said that that s a ridiculous policy. it has to be reversed. i think what sometimes happens is you re sitting in an echo chamber, kasie, and everybody wants to reaffirm each other s biases.
i.c.e. with something that reflects our morality and our joining me now on set, political reporter for axios, alexa mccanaan. chief correspondent for cnbc, john harwood. and contributor raul reyes. raul, i want to start with you. these abolish i.c.e. cries really that are sweeping through the 2020 democratic establishment, what s your take on how that unrolls going forward? is it akin to republicans who have said abolish the irs, kind of knowing that ultimately taxes were never going to stop being collected? or is it something that speaks to a potential reality down the road? no, my take on this is that this growing movement which is increasingly as the clips show becoming mainstream, it reflects like such profound disenchantment with the role of this agency. some people see the calls to abolish i.c.e. as really a flat out call to end the agency. others see it other progressives see it as more of a starting point for a broader