criticize me and call names, they re precisely the same people who are unwilling to cuts the spending and their give me give me all my sandy money now, those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense. the daily news in new york points out that senator rand paul will hold a campaign fund-raiser in new york, in spite of voting against sandy relief. the war of words between christie and paul could set up a possible nasty battle in iowa in 2016. the most recent ppp poll shows rand paul out front with 16%. christie is tied with jeb bush and paul ryan at 13%. all well within, joe, the margin of error. and gene robinson, i think we re going to see this battle moving forward with the republican party for some time. the neocons versus the realists and then rand paul even further
determine outcomes. let s return to katrina vanden heuvel of the nation, bob shrum, and also e.j. dionne. e.j., is there any history out there that says, if we go into syria, there s a real good chance we re going to get a successful outcome? when are we going to learn our lesson? well, i think it was very significant that on the shows today, advocates of intervention went out of their way to say, well, we don t really want to put boots on the ground. and i think that s because even the hawks realize that there is no stomach in the country right now for massive intervention in the middle east. and i think you have a lot of people who are, if you will, the old republican realists, people like former secretary gates, people like richard haass, president of the council on foreign relations, who are saying, you can t just intervene a little bit, turn a few dials, and then get an ideal outcome. do these republicans know what they want? a no-fly zone take resources to
that is an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of september 11th, that we invited the attack because we were attacking iraq. i don t think i ve ever heard that before, and i ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for september 11th. there s a lot of applause. shouldn t have cut that off. tremendous applause for rudy giuliani. he thumped them. we remember that. fast forward to 2013. contrast that to the response to his son, rand paul s, 13-hour filibuster that protests the u.s. drone program. rand paul got backup from gop rising stars like rubio and ted cruz and was hailed as a hero on the right. there s no sound. we re just watching. is the party now open? does it find acceptable isolationist? this is what s really fascinating. for decades there was a fight within the republican party between realists and neoconservatives. right p. the first group was brent scowcroft. are. jim baker. a modest intervention versus
the messianic view of promoting democracy. neoconservatives triumphed. there always was a small, emphasize the word small, part of the party, paleoconservatives. traditional isolationists, like pat buchanan. pat buchanan. like pat buchanan. they never even were in the debate. they were so far out of the mainstream of their own party. now with rand paul, we see them kind of rising and the debates between them and the neocons what s changed in the atmosphere? the realists are gone. gene, what s changed in the atmosphere? a decade of war. a decade of war at enormous costs in blood and treasure. and barack obama, being in charge of the national security state now. that s another thing. that s another change. that gives them the political opening. i think that s an interesting fight within the party, because i think the balance has changed, has shifted on the question of intervention. you said in your notes not all the way. but it s shifted. not all the way. do you
i don t think i ve ever heard that before, and i ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for september 11th. there s a lot of applause. shouldn t have cut that off. tremendous applause for rudy giuliani. he thumped them. we remember that. fast forward to 2013. contrast that to the response to his son, rand paul s, 13-hour filibuster that protests the u.s. drone program. rand paul got backup from gop rising stars like rubio and ted cruz and was hailed as a hero on the right. there s no sound. we re just watching. is the party now open? does it find acceptable isolationist? this is what s really fascinating. for decades there was a fight within the republican party between realists and neoconservatives. first group was, like, brent scowcroft. modest intervention, versus the messianic view of promoting democracy. neoconservatives triumphed. there always was a small, emphasize the word small, part of the party, paleoconservatives.