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and iraq by a substantial number of americans. when mccain says a few americans, nonsense. you re not going to send a few americans into a difficult situation like that. now we re into vietnam all over again with a handful of advisers. they will be in the midst of the battle. so the question is, does america have some obligation or self-interest in permanently maintaining a status quo in both afghanistan and iraq that otherwise isn t attainable? and i don t think we do. and i ve been reading report after report that talks about the situation in iraq, in which it characterizes the iraqi state as having been constructed in such a way, in the wake of the total annihilation that was the 2003 invasion and occupation. it could not function in the absence of americans. and rather than a condemnation of the entire project of iraq, that is seen as validation of the idea of essentially unending occupation. exactly. and by the way, afghanistan, too, you know, in the case of both iraq and afgh
about the deficit goes out the window. at the very least, if they were to have the intellectual courage of their convictions, they would be talking about how many hundreds of billions more over a period of years they would need not to put it on the deficit. third, and here s the key point, what graham and mccain are talking about, let s be very clear, is the indefinite occupation of both afghanistan and iraq by a substantial number of americans. when mccain says a few americans, nonsense. you re not going to send a few americans into a difficult situation like that. now we re into vietnam all over again with a handful of advisers. they will be in the midst of the battle. so the question is, does america have some obligation or self-interest in permanently maintaining a status quo in both afghanistan and iraq that otherwise isn t attainable? and i don t think we do. and i ve been reading report after report that talks about the situation in iraq, in which it characterizes the iraqi st