In terms of safety i think martin can speak more to the issue of, you know, going into areas where there could be problems. Edmonton overall is pretty safe community. We havent really had any experience with people sort of being there present when were painting over it. So, i cant really speak to that in terms of issues. But the liability issue is pretty well covered. I have a guide thats available on my website that outlines all of our forms and criteria that they go through and the Property Owners are also required to sign off a form giving the volunteer Agency Permission to paint their building. So, were distancing ourselves from that so we dont have a problem. Before i became a consul ant i was with city of san jose antigraffiti for 10 year. We ended up with over 3,400 graffiti volunteers. Thats a big number. And the number of first of all, we did a good job training them and we made sure that if there were that they knew if there was anything out there, somebody watching them or a
Liabilities. If youre doing something that the original tagger, the vandal, lets say, did, and now youre using volunteers to paint it out, what has anybody considered the possibility if you dont have police accompaniment to the rehabilitation of that wall, that its very possible that the person that tagged it is not going to want to see it painted out and might behave in an adversarial situation, perhaps danger . Inclusive of the fact that on the other side of the coin is lets say youve got volunteers, youve got kids that work in on the wall. And a possibility of this Hazardous Material affecting them in some negative way so that later on down the road, those people who were doing a volunteer wonderful job are now going to be bringing you into court and saying, you organized this thing and you caused this cancer or whatever it might be. Great question. And we look like we have a couple of people that would like to take an answer on that one. When we do our graffiti wipe outs, we have i
On for 42 years. I do not know any other war we would tolerate going on for so long that we will losing in spending so much money on. As a people, we are a civilization that believes he should not do things that are bad for you and that for society. That was a big motivation behind prohibition as well. This matter of what you believe is more important what you can accomplish. How you translate that into the language of political philosophy, i am not sure. But i think it is an area an important area of pursuit. None of these are efforts to legislate morality. They are efforts to legislate against human desire. Back cannot work. I am a student at George Washington university. There is a large push from the and the price of a community about legalization of marijuana. From the undergraduate timidity about legislation and marijuana. Could this lead to a nationwide Reform Movement . It is different. I presume the undergraduate movement at gwi is people who want to get something. Temperance
Because that pigment on the surface was taken, but the design is still there. A good example is van ness and ellis not too far from here. And there is a corner building, beautiful onestory brick building. And you see shadow over shadow over shadow. I think its to me, its almost like the vandals are laughing at us. Larry, did you want to respond to that . Yeah. So, we photograph all the tags and the inspectors go out and look at them. If the actual tack has been removed, then the graffiti is considered removed. The fact that the ghosting stays there, it becomes a very difficult thing at what level youre going to hold the Property Owner responsible. Tag for removing the ghosting. A lot of times thats not very easy to do and, so, are you still going to hold them accountable when theyve made the effort, removed the initial tag . And they cant remove the ghost, i dont think so. As a city, i dont think that would be where i would want to be. If they showed they made the effort to remove it,
Going to attract graffiti. Its very likely going to have a negative effect on the artwork itself. So, we are building parameters around that and trying to work with the subculture, trying to work with those artists, but also understand graffiti is graffiti. Our by law in vancouver states that even if you give an artist permission to put up graffiti on your wall, it has to go. They dont permit graffiti on your walls. Whether thats in a mural or whether thats just a tag on your wall. So, even if it is done with permission, with consent, if somebody complains or if one of our by law officers come by, it has to go. And its one of those very clear definitions of graffiti versus art and thats how vancouver has been doing it. I hope that helps a little bit. Thank you. Yeah, i think here in San Francisco the difference between graffiti and art is the permission. I hope i appreciate our anonymously written questions. [laughter] all right. Anybody else have an answer to that one . So, well move