he is on the ground handcuffed behind his back. he can t kick them if they stand two feet away. he can t get up and run because there are three officers to just push him down with their hands. so no one s in any physical danger of being injured on the ground handcuffed. to reason for an intermediate taser. could you hit him with a nightstick sitting handcuffed on the sidewalk? no. and then when he s brought back at ari points out to the radio car, now the feet shackled and the appropriate thing to do and should have been taken in to see a physician and tasered again. shackled, hand and feet. and in the back of a radio car which has a cage in it. no justification to taser a man in that situation. and the worst thing i think is just to take him away from the medical care. he desperately, desperately needed to see that emergency room physician. let me ask you, jim. you know, from a law enforcement perspective, one of the things people viewing this might say is, well, on his way in to th
in. and he ran toward the hospital. they tasered him. all right. they used force there. sometimes it looks ugly and it would be legal i think in that regard. but when he s on the ground handcuffed behind his back and repeatedly, repeatedly tasering the man, no. that s excessive and it certainly then you shackle the feet and put him in the back of a radio car and everything, that you drag him away from the emergency room and he s in dire need of medical care. jim, thank you so much. ari, thanks to you, as well. we ll have more within the next hour. correct? that s right. also speaking to the lawyer for the family members of lambert in this case. okay. we want to encourage everybody to go see the video for themselves at any time at msnbc.com. we ll have much more on this exclusive investigation throughout this hour and the next. when we come back, though, shifting attention to politics and the highlights and low lights of last night s debate and unexpected m ic drop moments
they found the dna in this pizza, i suppose that means that the suspect, mr. wint has been arrested before and his dna is on file? oh yeah definitely. you know it s been reported he s been arrested for several times for violent crimes and i believe one was for rape. so if he was arrested for rape then his dna would be in the system. so when they checked that pizza for saliva got the dna from the saliva went into the system and he came up. what if he changes appearance? looking at these pictures of him. he s very recognizable the dread locks. is it possible he changed his passengers? how would police correct for that when looking for him? i m sure. look at that picture there you re showing now. it doesn t show his dread locks. the face they re looking for. the problem, he s going to make some kind of connections with people he knows. all right? so that s that s how we re going to get this guy. it doesn t matter because, yeah i m sure those photographs are going out to every radi
at this point. hary let me ask you this. these vehicles these paddy wagons which we ve seen that gray was placed in should those be all traded out? i mean should the police forces transition to other vehicles where this is not even a consideration or a possibility? well i ll tell you, i don t like those vehicles you can t control your prisoner there, you saw the tight confined space inside those vehicles you get one or two people in there. you re wide open for an attack from your prisoner. so unlike in nypd we use vans we didn t have those when i was a police officer and i don t think they have them now because i ve never seen them. the fact if you just put a prisoner in the back seat of a radio car or in a regular van facing forward, buckled in it s a lot safer. even when somebody is in the back of one of these vehicles and they re seat belted, they can still move around like this and bang their head and hit their head, they re still subl subject to being some kind of
conspiracy theory that he is trying to pib it on pin it on one police officers versus another but that is just a conspiracy theory. it sounds like that but i had that reaction too. why are they saying it had to happen in the van as opposed to before because as you said with professor kobilinsky it looks like on the tape of this young man, that he was severely injured before they put him into the van. but harry, a lot of police officers i ve talked to that said when i made an arrest dragged their feet and screamed out. including me. i ve experienced that a dozen times. that happened almost all of the time. you throw them in the back of the radio car and they go crazy and start screaming and kicking and now you pull over and shackle the guy and that is why when they pulled him out of the van, because he might have been kicking and going crazy in the