conspiracy theory that he is trying to pib it on -- pin it on one police officers versus another but that is just a conspiracy theory. >> it sounds like that but i had that reaction too. why are they saying it had to happen in the van as opposed to before because as you said with professor kobilinsky it looks like on the tape of this young man, that he was severely injured before they put him into the van. >> but harry, a lot of police officers i've talked to that said when i made an arrest dragged their feet and screamed out. >> including me. i've experienced that a dozen times. that happened almost all of the time. you throw them in the back of the radio car and they go crazy and start screaming and kicking and now you pull over and shackle the guy and that is why when they pulled him out of the van, because he might have been kicking and going crazy in the