election. specifically, they re looking at the state of georgia where he asked raffensperger, we remember, this to quote, find him enough votes to win, and in that now infamous phone call. we will be hearing from raffensperger and his deputy, gabriel sterling, a name we know well as well. focusing on the pressure trump put on the former vice president, mike pence, to not certify the election. now one member of the january 6th committee praised pence this morning for resisting trump s pressure. in a time of the scandalous betrayal of people in office and crimes being committed all over the place. somebody who does their job will stand out as a hero on the day. i think on that day he was a hero for resisting all of the pressure campaigns and the course of efforts to get him to play along with this continuation of the big lie. this big joke that he could somehow call off all the proceedings himself. all the public hearing so far, they ve shown the former president is this re
squabbling. i m wondering though, max, if you re looking at adam kinzinger and congresswoman cheney as well, do you feel as if they still have a high standing amidst the republican party? i m not talking about trump voters, but everybody else inside the republican party. not the trump base. there is no question that trump has done his best to ostracize liz cheney and adam kinzinger even though there were both republicans before donald trump was, and of course it was hard to ostracize liz cheney when she comes from one of the most eminent republican families in the country, obviously, daughter of the former republican adviser to the president. i m sure it has an impact with the maga base. i m sure they view anybody who is not the complete trump to a t as being a rhino or a sellout. but i think if there are middle of the road, independent voters tuning in, i think what they
republican party, in many respects, have not learned their lesson when it comes to donald trump, waiting for someone else to move him off of the main stage. it has not happened yet and it seems hard to see how that is going to happen. cleave, i m curious. i m wondering if you have any reporting on how republican voters are reacting to this testimony and the public part of january 6th committee investigation in swing states. republican voters in swing states. how are they seeing this? one, it s still too early to tell. i think [inaudible] when i talk to voters in the swing states particularly, if folks are on trump s side from the very beginning, some of them are very much still buying into the big lie. you have to remember a lot of the republicans see this as partisan, as inherently
2024. that because you have this quote unquote takedown of donald trump over and over, and over again, and this committee hearing, by his own people! not just by immigrants. not just by liz cheney and adam kinzinger. you see bill barr, his daughter, his son-in-law, talk about the way he was doing around those times and thinking. that was good for other republicans who want to run for president. on fox news earlier this week it was said that what s happening could be good for republicans. many republicans will not say it in front of a camera, even reporters, but they want to see someone move donald trump out of the way so they don t have to. it shows just how much power he has in this republican party right now. still. that s fascinating, eugene. can we pull on that threat just a little bit here? i ve been curious as to how we have not necessarily heard a lot from someone like mitch mcconnell. you can t help but wonder if
airtime. you don t see every member getting five minutes you don t see all the partisan squabbling that you normally used to. instead, as you suggested, this is coming across like a well scripted television production, where it s all about getting the truth out. it s not about grandstanding. it s very very effective because almost all the witnesses are themselves trump supporters trump supporters [inaudible] they are getting the straight story from a lot of people who were very much on trump s camp, and i think that has a devastating impact. anybody who is paying attention. there was public praise, obviously for the vice president, former vice president. there s been repeated public praise. oftentimes and testimonies like these and hearing like these there s kind of partisan squabbling between democrats and republicans from the get-go. there s really been no partisan