he was supposedly on the phone with prigozhin as he was marching on moscow, and that s where prigozhin is supposedly headed now. what do you make of that? you re exactly right. that s a very good question. so it is not at all so lukashenko, the president of belarus, has virtually no credibility neither in his country, nor in russia for that matter. jon: right. so for him to be the negotiators negotiator, and that s another reason i think we haven t heard the last of this deal. we ve only heard about lukashenko s rule from the belarusian press. so it s the not entirely clear what role he actually played. and clearly, it was putin trying to get out of the boned that he was in that prigozhin the bind that he was in, that prigozhin had put him in. jon: putin went on television fairly soon after this mutiny, if that s what i you want to call it that s what he called
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try to make putin do something, and prigozhin lost, no kidding. i would not want to be him. i wouldn t want to go into exile in belarus. and that is, you know, who knows what will happen. we do know, i think, that a lot of those troops that prigozhin recruited are now going to go under russian control. of course, up to 20 the ,000 20,000 of those wagner mercenary troops have already been killed in ukraine. jon: but wasn t that the plan, that the wagner group was going to be absorbed by the russian army effective july 1st? yes, that was part of what was going on, and i think that may have been one of the many things that pushed prigozhin to make this bid to change things. but he has he really had been sounding off about everything from drone strikes on the kremlin back in may to the way the strategy was conducted. and the that just shows you though how difficult it is now for putin to find a decent way
prigozhin was making demands, that he wanted sergei show guy out as the leader of the army, and he wanted the defense minister sacked. but that, apparently, has not happened. apparently not. prigozhin for a long time has been criticizing harshly shoigu, the defense minister, and gerasimov, the chairman of the joint chiefs. and so for me ghosn to get nothing out of prigozhin to get nothing out of this negotiation with, again, lukashenko who doesn t have much authority anyway, this deal doesn t make sense. it doesn t make sense. jon: it will be fascinating to see what happens over the next 24-48 hours. ambassador william taylor, thanks for your expertise. thank you, jon. jon: so where do things stand between the wagner group and putin s forces now? retired army lieutenant colonel if chuck devore acted as an
and certainly it did help. jon: it s going to be fascinating to see which of those two men, prigozhin or putin, is still standing in a month. it will. jon: yeah. lieutenant colonel chuck devore, thanks very much. thank you. scrp jon a lot more on our top story ahead. the wagner group s rebellious march on moscow now over almost as quickly as it began. we ll have the latest on the situation there just ahead. nt t new dr. scholl s prevent pain insoles are the only ones clinically proven to prevent pain from muscle-induced joint stiffness and strain. so you can stay pain free. mamá, growing up. you were so good to me.
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