call on it from a particular perspective. john, look, we started with a pumpkin patch story, which in certain ways is ridiculous. is it ridiculous when mr. carrothers said to us basically it feels like a threat. because this question of feeling threatened is everything when it comes to police aggression. well, i think what you are going to have here is is a political issue that boils down to the police chief and some of the elected officials coming to bat for the form and for policing in general. what has happened is that this black lives movement there is a white s.w.a.t. of law enforcement that believes it has come out of or is an outgrowth of that hands up don t shoot movement which was debunked by a lot of investigations that found that either witnesses lied or factual statements were made and then recanted. then as that movement grew and the outgrowth was black lived matter well now that gets branded with hands up don t