knew he lost the 2020 election and that their scheme to overturn the results was illegal. and yet, they attempted it anyway. president trump rejected the advice of his campaign experts on election night. and instead, followed the chorus recommended by apparently inebriated rudy giuliani. to just claim he won. and insist that the vote counting stop. to falsely claim everything was fraudulent. and there are an lies the true nature of these hearings. to truly hold trump and his fellow coup plotters accountable. the committee has already uncovered evidence that trump may have committed serious federal crimes. but it s up to the justice department to bring criminal charges. as neil cocktail argues in the opinion page of the new york times today, attorney general merrick garland could bring a charge of conspiracy to defraud the united states even if trump truly believed in what he was saying. and it wasn t just democracy at stake, but lives as well. vice president mike pence fa
people as the clear and present danger. so i certainly hope there is a bit more organization to target these people. particularly the ones who have control over who wins and who loses. and you know what, i m glad you brought up your column, jennifer. it s a nice segue to the question that i have format. because in some republican primaries, jennifer talks about a game plan. but it seems like we have seen democrats cross over to vote for the most extreme candidate in the republican primaries, in the hopes of helping the democratic opponent in the general election. am i wrong and thinking that this could backfire? this is a risky game to play. it s already backfired. think of 2016. there was already democrats thought, if we can just get donald trump, it ll be a layup again. we ll just go through and it ends up, donald trump president of united states. i think it s a huge mistake. i think the sorts of logical of
american democracy. joining me now is msnbc political contributor and analyst, matthew dowd. he is also author of revelations on the river, healing a nation, healing ourselves. also joining, us soviet. nelson former house republican committee counsel, and the author of the the one you need. 21 life lessons i weren t learned while taking care of everyone but me. and, my washington post colleague an msnbc political analyst pull jennifer reuben, she is the author of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. thank you all very much for being here this morning, for coming back to the sunday show. sophia, you are in the middle so i m starting with you. here is what i find. interesting. about what judge lueck said. it was the truth! and his words have been met with incredible silence from the usual loudmouths mccarthy and jordan. why the silence? jonathan, look, you know that
vaults has a great column writing obnoxious judge lieu ticks visual testimony but his written testimony. and just the starkness in the warning that he s delivering to the country. folks should read that. jennifer, let s talk about new mexico. because there are county commissioners there who are refusing to certify election results because they don t trust voting machines. now, things to a court order, the results have been certified. but how alarming is it that the commissioners took that action in the first place? it s shocking. and addition to the threat to democracy, think about the party that would interest they are democracy to them. think about all those republican voters. what are they thinking? one of the people who are campaigning who are giving money to these candidates thinking? it s really a mess psychosis or a mass sort of revolt against
horrifying. because they re admitting out loud that they basically are being held hostage by this man and they don t have the courage and the spine like liz cheney or judge luttig to say something about it. so i think brett humans fought on, i think they want him to go away but they re not brave enough to make him go away and to hold him accountable. our poor country. sophia nelson, it will return later in the show. matthew dowd, jennifer reuben, thank you very much for coming on the sunday show. in a reminder to tune in on tuesday pre-special coverage of the next january 6th hearing at noon eastern, led by katie tyreek, andrew michelin hallie jackson. followed by a two hour recap special beginning at 8 pm eastern you see them all right there, right here on msnbc. the descendants of the enslaved community of monticello, the home of thomas jefferson, gathered for a juneteenth celebration this weekend. called ascendant. according to the thomas jefferson foundation, more than