they re not involved in any kind of editorial direction for rogan s podcast, as we both know, this is not necessarily editorial. this is something much bigger, and much different. on top of that, you mentioned the 70 podcasts or so that have been taken down by spotify. he s got over 1,000 podcasts on spotify. that s just a blip. more ways to come. exactly. so we re going to watch and see as this thing develops and if spotify has anything else to say with regards to it. for now, though, richard lui, thank you as always. i want to go to mike pence s strongest rebuke today of his former boss. the former vice president calling donald trump s attempts to overturn the 2020 election un-american and questioning his understanding of the government. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. and frankly, there is no idea
i think it s very personal to the former vice president. president trump incited people to go down to the capitol. they chanted hang mike pence. what kind of robot wouldn t be sensitive to that? i mean, he was in the capitol. the president didn t come bail him out. obviously, there s a personal element to this, but you know, mike pence has been a politician for a long time and he sees opportunity and he s ambitious, and this is the, you know, this is the lane he s going to try to run in. whether that is successful or not remains to be seen. yeah. i m sorry, though. i just don t seem to be able to applaud it because it s about darn time, right? and why didn t it happen any sooner? i think it s probably safe to assume now at this point that the former vice president will not be on the same ticket as the former president if, in fact, he decides to run again. that s a safe assumption. at this point. jonathan allen, thank you as always. great to see you, my friend. coming up at
the changes necessary to ensure that january 6th could never happen again. ali vitali, thank you. we appreciate it. i want to bring in now joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney to talk more about this. joyce, this is great to see you. so, react for me first. you got on the same day, obviously, the censuring of liz cheney and adam kinzinger, also the former vice president rebuking his former boss, the former president donald trump, saying, the president is wrong, the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. quite a split-screen moment, joyce. it is a split-screen moment, yasmin. i wish we had seen a stronger pronouncement from the former vice president, though. he seems to have one foot in. he might just as well jump in off the deep end and go ahead and voluntarily testify and tell the truth. that s something that he hasn t at least publicly acknowledged
the economy for the wall street journal. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. i was on the air yesterday as this jobs report was coming out. obviously, we got into it, and it was huge because, of course, the predictions were initially around 150,000 jobs to be added for the month of january, and wow, they really undershot that one, right? and then there were adjustments from months before, december and november, adding even more jobs to the economy, some good news, of course, for americans, first and foremost, the biden administration as well. the problem that the president faces, especially in that speech that i just played some of yesterday, was bridging the gap when it came to inflation, so is so there is the perception that the economy is doing quite well. the reality of the economy is doing quite well, but the perception from consumers, those of us that shop every single day, looking to buy cars and/or just fruits and vegetables, and seeing the prices on the shelve
so, you can just see from these multiple events playing out how divided the republican party is right now about president trump s role, not only in the past but in the future as well. i got to say, josh, you and i were both outside the capitol on january 6th and seeing this statement come from the rnc, honestly, you take it personally as a reporter, as someone who was out there covering that event. i have seen legitimate political discourse. that, in fact, was not it, and now you have a lisa murkowski speaking out about it on twitter, kind of going after her own party, talk to us about that. reporter: yeah, i know exactly what you mean, yasmin, because you can feel one way or another about president trump, about the election, but to see what you and i saw with our own eyes outside of the capitol and to somehow describe that as okay, it s just really kind of beyond belief. but lisa murkowski, the republican senator from alaska,