is that, and i don t know whether 0leksy and irina agree, but we ve seen terrible things in this war, and even more terrible things could happen if light doesn t continue to be shone on any atrocities to come. if the world looks away, the darkness, other things could happen in the darkness. and i think it is incumbent on the media to try as much as possible not to take an eye off this story, even if the engagement does come down a bit. and i ll come to irina on that in a moment. but christina at sky, i would like to ask you about that, when you re balancing coverage of ukraine versus coverage of the police finds over the downing street parties, for example, how do you gauge the the right way forward on that? well, the right way forward is to keep telling the compelling stories that are still there. we re committed. we ve got three teams still in ukraine, and we have no plans to reduce that at the moment. independent, impartial eyewitness
shifted policy in the west because sky news, bbc the times, wrote about them. we know the recent story in the times about the woman raped by russian soldiers. i think that s important to mention. that s important for the world to know. and i think i agree with colleagues here that even if we see that attention is dropping, ourjobs as journalists is to write about stuff that is important, and we should continue this. 0leksy, yours is going to be the final comment on today s media show. thank you very much for your contribution. thanks to all of our guests forjoining us. we heard from the economist. lyse doucet from bbc news. christina nicholas esquire s from sky news. alexi sorokin from the kyiv independent. and also from the freelance journalist and producer irina
he was just really empathetic too, and that was what really struck me. and you could hear that from the clip that you played. but we talked about what what a the future, what would a ukrainian victory look like? we talked about what he needed from the west. but for me, the most powerful bit of that interview was when i, towards the end, i asked him about vladimir putin and i asked him, you know, kind of what.what about vladimir putin? and he said something that wasjust stuck with me ever since, he said putin is throwing russian soldiers like logs into a train s furnace. and it was, hejust couldn t believe it. you could tell in his voice that he couldn t believe someone could act with such inhumanity. and it was in such stark contrast, ithink, to him, and he is, he s, as you all know, irina, 0leksy, he is the kind of public face of this coming together of ukraine. i don t think he s running the war effort in a sort of detailed churchillian manner. his role in this is to be the public
lyse, you remain in kyiv where you ve been throughout the conflict. as you listen to irina, i wonder if you recognise those tensions between the personal situations that journalists find themselves in, particularly bbc ukrainian colleagues, and also their desire to continue with their journalism as they normally would? may ijust begin by saluting 0leksey, irina and all of the ukrainian journalists, including my colleagues in the bbc s ukrainian service and other are are nodding, you know, it s one thing to cover a war, and we, as western journalists, get lots of plaudits. wow, it s you know, you re so brave. you know, you re so great. you know, viewers and listeners are lovely, but it s it s another thing to cover a war in your own home. i say, you know, we look at the maps every day, but when they look at the maps, they think my grandmother lives there or that s where i went to school. i grew up here, you know, and i ve been seeing ukrainian journalists do this and telling us about
who wanted to stand up and be counted, who wanted to take a stand against russia s, notjust take a stand against this aggression, but also be seen to be doing something about it. it s been a really extraordinary moment and such a privilege as a journalist to have even just as a small part in the telling of this story, because so many are listening and so many agree with us that this story matters. and you referenced, lyse, in your answer, zanny, let s bring in zanny minton beddoes, editor in chief of the economist. i want to ask you about your interview with president zelensky in a moment, zanny, but i wonder what you would say in response to what we ve heard already from colleagues in kyiv in lviv? well, i would absolutely second lyre in in saluting alexei and irina and all the ukrainian journalists who i can t imagine what it is like to report on a war in my own country. and i would also add to that saluting lyse, because i am absolutely not a war correspondent. i went to kyiv for tw