who wanted to stand up and be counted, who wanted to take a stand against russia's, notjust take a stand against this aggression, but also be seen to be doing something about it. it's been a really extraordinary moment and such a privilege as a journalist to have even just as a small part in the telling of this story, because so many are listening and so many agree with us that this story matters. and you referenced, lyse, in your answer, zanny, let's bring in zanny minton beddoes, editor in chief of the economist. i want to ask you about your interview with president zelensky in a moment, zanny, but i wonder what you would say in response to what we've heard already from colleagues in kyiv in lviv? well, i would absolutely second lyre in in saluting alexei and irina and all the ukrainian journalists who i can't imagine what it is like to report on a war in my own country. and i would also add to that saluting lyse, because i am absolutely not a war correspondent. i went to kyiv for two days.