those kinds of things, so where does that take you with a quid pro quo argument? he s wrong. one, the facts have changed and two, the president got caught. the only reason aid was released was because of the whistle-blower came forward. but the new fact that we learned today from ms. laura cooper at the department of defensem because i have heard this defense from the republicans all along, no harm, no foul. if the ukrainians did not know there was a hold, were they really under pressure and ms. cooper testified today that on july 25, the same day that president trump made that shakedown call to the president ukraine, on july 25, ukrainians were inquiring let me finish. the ukrainians were inquiring on that very same day through their embassy as to what was going on with the assistance. that is the same date, that is a direct link. shannon: you call it a shakedown call but let s remember that president zelensky has publicly said numerous times he felt no pressure, did not feel an