months. he s a special counsel in the white house counsel office working to protect the president, protect executive privilege and build out strategies if, in fact, things develop the point of impeachment proceedings on capitol hill and the new white house counsel has hired 17 attorneys into that counsel s office in the last couple weeks in order to prepare for the flurry of democratic investigations into the president s conduct and expected investigations rath interthe president s conduct, his
president of the united states and he kept on saying all of this. tell me what the legal jeopardy is of the president having deliberately misled people both prior to and subsequent to the election? you know, generally it s not a crime to make public statements that are false, but if you re trying to throw investigators off the trail, i think that i would submit that that is part of a pattern of obstruction of justice and it s also part of this idea that prosecutors refer to as consciousness of guilt. that means the reason i have to lie about russia is because i know there s something really bad about russia. if there was nothing bad there, i would be comfortable telling you the truth. but i have to distance myself from russia because there s something bad there. and so that goes into this idea that, you know, the obstruction is the collusion, that there is more there that we need to know. now, it may be that robert mueller knows about it, but why take the risk of instructing people t
office buildings in moscow. i don t have property in russia. and i am in very i m in total compliance in every way. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we ve stayed away. okay. barbara mcquade, that s january, february, may of 2017. obviously, the president wasn t under oath, but he was the president of the united states and he kept on saying all of this. tell me what the legal jeopardy is of the president having deliberately misled people both prior to and subsequent to the election? you know, generally it s not a crime to make public statements that are false, but if you re trying to throw investigators off the trail, i think that i would submit that that is part of a pattern of
written statement to congress. right. which we now know is false. at the time, he carried two cell phones. one was in a black case, one was in a white case. he explained to me that one was his personal cell phone and one was for the white house in washington to be able to reach him. now, he wasn t talking to the president directly at the time at advice of counsel. i always wondered in my mind, if the president is not trying to reach him what s the other phone for? who s trying to reach him from washington? now maybe my question from 17 months ago has been answered. that is remarkable. philip rucker, we know that you reached out to and got a response from rudy giuliani. is the white house saying anything? you know, not at this hour. they re sort of letting that juligiuliani statement sit, but don t think they re going to be able to dodge these questions tomorrow. this is an issue that s going to, you know, continue into the news. it s a really important development. and
cohen in this because it seems like according to anthony cormier and the buzzfeed story, this is not information that has come from michael cohen. michael cohen gave his testimony. he then spoke to the mueller investigation several times. it s quite possible, it s likely this is all known by the mueller investigation. michael cohen spent 70 hours with investigators. i don t think that he left anything, particularly this kind of explosive information, out of those interviews. we know that the mueller team was very satisfied with cohen s cooperation. correct. we didn t get any view into what they were satisfied with or why they were perhaps so satisfied. in fact, the fact he lied to congress and recommend he receive no additional jail time for that indicated they were very satisfied with his cooperation. now we re getting a glimpse into what he was told. this is not some of the test we ll hear when cohen goes to testify in front of congress on february 7th. there are limits to what