written statement to congress. >> right. >> which we now know is false. at the time, he carried two cell phones. one was in a black case, one was in a white case. he explained to me that one was his personal cell phone and one was for the white house in washington to be able to reach him. now, he wasn't talking to the president directly at the time at advice of counsel. i always wondered in my mind, if the president is not trying to reach him -- >> what's the other phone for? >> -- who's trying to reach him from washington? now maybe my question from 17 months ago has been answered. >> that is remarkable. philip rucker, we know that you reached out to and got a response from rudy giuliani. is the white house saying anything? >> you know, not at this hour. they're sort of letting that juligiuliani statement sit, but don't think they're going to be able to dodge these questions tomorrow. this is an issue that's going to, you know, continue into the news. it's a really important development. and we saw last night after rudy giuliani went on cnn and made that comment that he faced pressure all morning to try to clean it up and did a series of interviews including with me