start, former vice president mike pence will testify against his old boss, what dropping his appeal means for the case against trump and more bad news for the former president. top national security officials testify against him in the 2020 election subversion probe plus put your hands up in some noise for brandon. ahead we re going to have my interview with chicago s new progressive mayor elect brandon johnson, about how he pulled off his upset victory. what s going on everyone welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i m omar jimenez in for the wonderful christine romans a lot to get to this morning, so let s get to it. we re gonna start with former vice president mike pence, deciding not to appeal a federal judge s order for him to testify in the case against donald trump. we don t know what date the date yet, but pence will now testify to a grand jury in a special council probe into efforts by trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 20
killed in a safe house in kabul. it was carried out by a cia drone strike. and president biden met with his national security team to discuss the operation. you can see in this photo, just by the president, a wooden box on the table that contains a model of the safe house used by al zawahiri. national security council john kirby spoke about the intelligence that led them to find al zawahiri, after a two decades long time. yeah, just an incredible amount of painstaking work went into this. and i want to be careful about the intelligence stream. but basically, we were able to track the movement of mr. zawahiri s family to kabul. trying to understand both the habits of this individual, but also confirming that this individual was in fact mr. zawahiri. and once we had that in place, then it was really a matter of presenting the case to the national security team and to the president, of course, for the president to make a decision and then, he obviously made that decision. it
wander and to wonder in this life, to still have a child-like sense of the possible. and i this we ve lost that. and think what i m saying to people is, is that you ve got to get back in touch with you. because a happy mika, a happy sofia and a happy katty, means everything else in our life is happier. spouses, children, our relationships are richer because we re fulfilled and most of us just are not. we just drudge along, we re exhausted, we re tired, and we just accept our fate in life and we have to stop that. sofia nelson, thank you so much. the new book is be the one you need, 21 life lessons i learned taking care of everyone but me. and she has a new piece about the book up on know your value.com right now. and katty kay, thank you as well. starting super early this morning. we really appreciate it. it is now the top of our fourth hour of morning joe. 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. we have at lot to get to this hour including the last-minute he
incomplete and makes a weak case compared to other investigations against trump. and you re not the only one saying that that s an opinion that that s out there, especially in the legal world from a lot of minds, but how so elaborate on that point yeah, although i think it s the weakest of the four cases. i think that mar-a-lago document cases the strongest case for prosecutors, followed by the fulton county case, followed by the january six cases. i don t think it s necessarily a weak case. it s just there s some problems here. and that is that you ve got to get this to a jury by showing that a state prosecutor can use a federal statute to piggyback on to take this misdemeanor of falsification of business records up to a felony. we re not sure that you can do that. also the alternative is to use a state statute. there s a state election law statute at play here, but we re not sure if that s preempted by federal law and then alvin bragg referred to potential other fraud when it comes t
when you need it most. all right. some breaking news, everybody, that we re following just motels ago. a major step from the justice department in the fight to protect abortion access in this country. attorney general merrick garland announcing the doj has challenged the abortion ban. the united states therefore seeks a declaratory judgment that idaho s law violates the supremacy clause of the united states constitution and it s preempted by federal law to the intent it s in conflict. united states also seeks an injunction prohibiting idaho from enforcing its law against health care providers that provide emergency treatment. this is the first justice