that s terrifying, i imagine. there s two things. there s a difference between willing to die and wanting to die. tough separate that out. they may be willing to die, but may be able to convince them dying another day is a better idea. if there s a predetermined killing journey, if the hostage taker has a specific orchestrated event in mind, he may have started on that at 2:00 in the morning when he separated the hostages. the hostage takers invision, then it s your job, as a negotiator, combined with the s.w.a.t. team to intervene. that s an incredible term, the killing journey. that s what you think of as a negotiator. right. what have they invisioned in advance? i can promise you he surveilled the location a number of times. writings of what was going to happen and what he was thinking