won with foreign leaders one-on-one. it has happened from time to time. what s unissue have it in a situation with a president who is so willing to go off script, so willing to be spontaneous, make deals, may or may not have been born out by the other side. that leaves an entire foreign policy architecture in a bad state because they don t know what s going on. katty kay, a question for you, as we re looking at what lens we look through at. seems donald trump is offering his perception through a pr lens not a policy lens. we re trying to depict what actually is happening on the policy side from reporting and actually what other leaders are thinking about this. so can you expand on what other leaders around the world are trying to extract on the policy side? i think you re right about the pr side of things.
tweet you just read, we do have a response to that from rudy giuliani. here s what he told dana bash this morning. the truth will set you free. the president did not wrong with michael cohen. everything has been a dead end because there s nothing there. now, this back and forth sort of game of chicken is really interesting because for first time we re seeing michael cohen respond to what rudy giuliani, donald trump s lawyer is saying. that s a big difference and shift in public post tour from before. it started with the abc news interview last weekend when michael cohen spoke out for first time and said my loyalty is not necessarily going to be with the president. then also just keep in mind the hiring of this very experienced trial lawyer as well as davis wh who seems to want to engage in this public battle. we know he s very experienced in handing the pr side of things. so it s clear that both michael co-ten and donald trump want to win over win in the court of public opinion. but
scenes. but you are now have rudy giuliani, who is really kind of the spokesman for the white house. constantly on the phone with the president, late at night, often multiple times, shares his grievances and he really has become sort of the public mouth and the public face of the anti-mueller brigade. and so you ve got those two sides of it. the pr side and the legal side. working in conjunction both to try to end the probe and always to discredit mueller himself. i want to ask you about the epa. i know you guys have some new, you guys have new polling out showing that the epa chief scott pruitt has hit a low approval rating, probably the lowest approval rating during his tenure. despite having a low profile for someone in that position. what do the numbers reveal in. it s so interesting. all of these stories that we hyperventilate about. it turns out that about 50-some percent of the public, doesn t know who scott pruitt is.
to den great and peel off to your point, peel off faith in those institutions because he believes those institutions are going after him. i would add that what he said was just wrong. michael cohen himself said the raid was fine. everyone was respectful. this actually shows how rudy giuliani s role is more on the pr side as we talked about, than the legal side. the same thing about paul manafort. they broke down his doors. i used to deal with the mafia, i don t know if he s been reading court filings, but paul manafort s raid was not a predawn no knock warrant. the special council made that clear in the last few weeks, it seems like he s not even familiar with his own clients case, he also made this statement that the president can t be subpoenaed because the president can t be distracted. i thought that was an interesting political argument. is this just, he s being paid to lie, to gin things up?
giuliani s role is more on the pr side as we talked about, than the legal side. the same thing about paul manafort. they broke down his doors. i used to deal with the mafia, i don t know if he s been reading court filings, but paul manafort s raid was not a predawn no knock warrant. the special council made that clear in the last few weeks, it seems like he s not even familiar with his own clients case, he also made this statement that the president can t be subpoenaed because the president can t be distracted. i thought that was an interesting political argument. is this just, he s being paid to lie, to gin things up? i think he believes every word. i think giuliani he used to be the law and order guy. he used to be the law and order guy, he used to be a moderate republican. he s changed completely. he when he was mayor of new york city i mean, this is a diverse, pretty liberal city.