specifically, she wanted to get out these texts that showed that kavanaugh may have been trying to discredit debbie ramirez in the run-up to the new yorker story, even though he told the senate judiciary committee he wasn t aware of the new yorker story until it ran. so that needs to be looked into. whether he was pushing other classmates who were part of this tight knit circle that includes debbie ramirez and the lady that crafted her memo, he is 51 years old, former classmate who has been concerned for quite a while, trying to bring this information forward. the white house says this is normal. that kavanaugh would the this in the run-up to this story, that it s pr 101, but we talked with experts who have been through this confirmation process before, specifically bob bauer, who say this would be highly imprudent for brett kavanaugh to be reaching out and
necessary, then saying they didn t have the policy, then issue an executive order that wasn t necessary to get rid of a policy that could have been gotten rid of and then not executing the executive order they signed so the thing has been nothing but smoke and mirrors from day one involving children and human suffering. jason miller, you re a communications expert. it s your business. you did not think it was helpful of this administration to run secretary azar out there to say those things, correct? yesterday was a pr 101 failure. one of the basic tenets in communications strategy is don t speculate so if you don t have the number, don t speculate so it went from an exact number of lightly more than 2,000, i don t have the number memorized, to somewhere under 3,000. with the two problems there, one, they say they don t know the exact number and they re
still guessing, increasing by 4r5078%. but i think an earlier point you made was that it makes this a numbers argument as opposed to the human element. this is where i think it s gotten things off track because the public polling has shown 64% of people think those who enter the country illegally should be deported but 88% of people think that families should be kept together while they re going through that process before they deport them so it s clear people don t want to see families separated so we need to get them back together as soon as possible. i know people in the government are working hard to this point but yesterday from the pr perspective i think was a fia o fiasco. it s not just pr, is it? we re talking about children, ana. we re talking about human beings and whether or not you agree with the policy of separating them, to not acknowledge these are children separated from their parents, not just some
911 call said, the restraining order said, the picture said. that s one part. the other is more processes but no less important but the point amanda touches on is how this guy literally touched every piece of information and paper that went to president trump, which means he touched stuff that was top secret and classified. john kelly knew well in advance of it last week that his porter s security clearance hadn t come through. why was john kelly not interested in finding out why, that s one. two, i still think it is this is, again, sort of political malpractice, but why was hope hicks allowed to be involved in the drafting of the initial pro-kelly statement about rob porter? i mean that s like pr 101. if you were romantically involved with someone, you shouldn t be that s a conflict of interest. chris, i also want to add to that, forget about her drafting the statement. what about the fact that her colleagues and her boss let her
divert attention and focus on jim comey. because as dana pointed out, if the justice department thought that he had somehow violated the law, jim comeyio would have been dragged in and indicted by now. dana: may be not by now. maybe the justice department is looking at him. we don t have to announce that. juan: i but at this point it is kind of after-the-fact, so to me what i see is this kind of aggressive focus on comey serves the president p.r. 101. don t look at me, look over here. watchh him. dana: yes, watch jesse. tall people. kimberly: the tall versus the short, directly ahead. bernie sanders, your favor, free health care for all,e but there is a catch. we will tell you about it when the five returns. paigns, rans, malware attacks. actually, we just handled all the priority threats.