get vaccinated. and that is why they have always pooh-poohed any therapeutic. i mean, look at the theme. any time a therapeutic of come around, they ve pooh-poohed the thing the thing that s funny, guys like neil young who back in the day would ve been on the side of natural immunity are now on the side of big pharma and pushing against natural immunity. so the whole thing is upside down. sean: there has been a rush of train robberies going out there in l.a. and apparently one had a lot of guns in them. you are not involved in any of these instances. how do we get back to train robberies? we are robbing trains now? is that big of because of the l.a.p.d. budget being cut? yeah, i don t know. the next thing you know stagecoaches are going to be robbed on the way to san francisco. [laughter] what year is it? the trolley was robbed. it s crazy appear the great
russia also in the news today. one ukrainian mother hiding out in a bomb shelter pooh-poohed the prospects of that. listen to her. why do you think after the talk you can trust him. why? this is a work in putin understands language of the war. stop being a denial it is started the dark times. i was in denial four days ago when i was taken to my kids to kindergarten and everything was fine but now i realize i m in the light and it is real. jon: that is ukrainian mother who understands that putin knows the language of force, a pretty good assessment it seems like. i agree with you and i agree with her.
needs to start with the cdc and others. they need to think, how are they going to counteract this misinformation. this happened during the measles outbreak years ago and i asked top cdc officials, what are you going to do? and i will tell you, to be honest, they basically pooh poohed it. we re not going to get down in the mud with these crazy people who are spreading all of this misinformation. we re going to put out the science and the science will win. we can now show, no, the science did not win. they need to figure out how to effectively communicate not just when people s brains, but their hearts as well how to do that without getting into the mud. there has got to be a way to do that. it doesn t work to shame people or yell at people. how do you change hearts and minds. exactly. and, by the way, it s not just on social media. it s coming from sitting lawmakers. it s coming from the health department and the state of tennessee, right? it s deliberate. i mean, on right wing me
accountable. sandra: if i could come out looking back at your time at the state department on what we knew then, i know you ve gone on the record saying anyone who brought up this wuhan lab theory was pooh-poohed. do you believe that you and your leadership role there did enough to dig into the origins and get answers? we worked hard. we didn t get to the bottom of it that much of what we know today came as a result of good work done by the state government officials who are working against the tide. there were others of the state department and this will surprise you, not everyone at the on the state department thought mike pompeo and donald trump are on the right side of history. worked against a big bureaucracy and we did good work and added to the data. i think we ve now told the world enough to hold the chinese communist party accountable. sandra: we always appreciate your time, thank you very much. steve linick growing outrage
blinken testifying before the house foreign affairs committee. a hearing on the state department s budget request. committee members may and will ask anything they want. some on this panel tell us they do plan to ask how the state department is pressing for an independent investigation in china into the origins of covid-19 and if the department tried to stone wall an inquiry into whether this pandemic began with a lab leak in wuhan as the previous secretary of state is charging. consensus in swamp town was that this was something that we shouldn t even take a look at. it wasn t worth questioning whether it was the new york times or the washington post they pooh-poohed any of us who talked about the lab. everybody wants to get to the bottom of the origin. former secretary pompeo, president biden and democrats and republicans across the board. former state department officials claim they met resistance here last year in investigating whether covid-19 escaped from a lab.