any arguments in the economy isn t doing well even when we look at corporate america, and just looking at some of the jobs numbers. it s tough, i mean overall, if you look at most of the numbers they look really good. neil: we re going to rifle through some of the big ones but had we not had the meltdown in 2008 you could make the argument that john mccain and barack obama were dead even in the poll s. the meltdown happened, it was over, and so it was another reminder then and there are other years where your campaign ing at a time when things are good, and it makes it very very tough to counter that for people in alternatives to good. absolutely and it s an 80% re-election rate in the last 100 years for presidents running as an incumbent in a good economy so this is an up hill battle for democrats, and that s why they so badly want to make the case, that even though the economy is goodbye almost every estimation