i can go to jail for up to 15 years. so, whenever a pollster calls you and says, do you support the special military operation? , you remember that there is a law that whenever you say something which is different from the official version, you can go to jailfor up to 15 years. and i can go under various ways to measure the true support of the war, which is much lower than the polls, poll numbers show. no, i understand that. ..but i would just say that the support is not as high as it seems. oh, i understand that. and as a journalist, i would hesitate to rely on polling evidence from inside russia. i quite agree with you. but nonetheless, ijust wonder if there s something to be said for this idea that you, sergei, you ve lived outside of russia for pretty much a decade now. many of the people you mention in the russian anti war movement, of course, are exiles, who are not running the risk of imprisonment inside russia right now. isn t there a truth that there is a strong strain of nat
the polls are not really reliable exactly because mr putin introduced wartime censorship. no, i understand that. so, if i say something that i m saying to you now, i can go, in russia, i can go to jail for up to 15 years. so, whenever a pollster calls you and says, do you support the special military operation? , you remember that there is a law that whenever you say something which is different from the official version, you can go to jailfor up to 15 years. and i can go under various ways to measure the true support of the war, which is much lower than the polls, poll numbers show. no, i understand that. ..but i would just say that the support is not as high as it seems. oh, i understand that. and as a journalist, i would hesitate to rely on polling evidence from inside russia. i quite agree with you. but nonetheless, ijust wonder if there s something to be said for this idea that you, sergei, you ve lived outside of russia for pretty much a decade now. many of the people you mentio
putin introduced wartime censorship. no, i understand that. so, if i say something that i m saying to you now, i can go, in russia, i can go to jail for up to 15 years. so, whenever a pollster calls you and says, do you support the special military operation? , you remember that there is a law that whenever you say something which is different from the official version, you can go to jailfor up to 15 years. and i can go under various ways to measure the true support of the war, which is much lower than the polls, poll numbers show. no, i understand that. ..but i would just say that the support is not as high as it seems. oh, i understand that. and as a journalist, i would hesitate to rely on polling evidence from inside russia. i quite agree with you. but nonetheless, ijust wonder if there s something to be said for this idea that you, sergei, you ve lived outside of russia for pretty much a decade now. many of the people you mention in the russian anti war movement, of course, are ex
and with the expertise that i have. but in a way, that s my point. but you bring a reputation to the table, and i wonder. i m going to finish my sentence, whether you want me to or not. go on. i think it s unfair to make the kinds of you ve made on the basis of 1 2 things that i ve made a mistake about. everybody makes mistakes, and i m not exempt. now, i really don t want to be unfair, but i am interested in the political atmosphere in the united states today and indeed your reflections on it. i look at polling evidence, which partly, i think, because of the american public s exposure both to truths, but also to untruths which are masked as truths. the american public s confidence in key institutions, notjust the presidency and the congress, which of course are partisan, but also the supreme court. their faith in these institutions is plummeting, according to all of the survey evidence and i wonder whether you feel that the polarised atmosphere in america today, the sort of politica
atmosphere in the united states today and indeed your reflections on it. i look at polling evidence, which partly, i think, because of the american public s exposure both to truths, but also to untruths which are masked as truths. the american public s confidence in key institutions, notjust the presidency and the congress, which of course are partisan, but also the supreme court. their faith in these institutions is plummeting, according to all of the survey evidence and i wonder whether you feel that the polarised atmosphere in america today, the sort of political and culture wars that we see are part of that erosion of confidence. they very much are, and i think it s a sad thing. i mean, no longer is there a shared sense of truth and reality. all of the investigations into the 2020 election suggests that claims of massive fraud are completely baseless, that it was, even according to the trump administration s own officials at the time he was president, the fairest and most thoroug